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Why didn’t Molly go to Eb or Listens to Wind as Harry suggested?
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 04, 2021, 06:19:16 AM ---Multiple POV tends to break the story. I want to skip chapters to continue with the POV I was reading.
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I do… until I keep reading and get intersted in the new chapter.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 05, 2021, 12:19:33 AM ---You make it sound like Harry coldly and calculatingly put her in that position. It didn't go down that way, plain and simple. Harry was at the end of his rope, mentally, physically, emotionally, he was choosing death/suicide rather than become a monster. However he couldn't do it alone. Yes, it put Molly in a tough position, but to think she didn't understand and made her own choice, you are mistaken.. That is why she doesn't hold a grudge towards Harry. Yes, he put her in a tough position so do a lot of desperate people who ask of us stuff that maybe they shouldn't. However agreeing to it or not agreeing is her choice.. Yes, that was hard on her, but consider the alternative, if little Maggie, Harry, and Eb all died at once or Harry's worst fears about being Winter Knight came true and he ended up like Slate.. What would that do to her head if she had chosen to say, no..
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Harry literally said he’d let the world burn to save Maggie. Uriel pointed out how he failed Molly with that blinkered view. Uriel was right. Molly followed Harry’s lead. She trusted him. Asking Molly to assist his suicide damaged Molly severely whether she holds a grude or not. Harry owns that terrible mistake.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 05, 2021, 01:27:18 AM ---It isn't about Molly. It's about Harry. It doesn't matter why he did it. No outcome is ever about the events of that moment. He made the choice of how he was going to live and what happened was a direct result of that choice. Every step Harry takes has consequences and he moves like a bull in a china shop.
Frankly it's starting to get old, at least for me. Jim needs to raise his game and get on with it. It looked like Skin Game could have been that book But the followup brought out every bad habit he has.
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Yeah. I have to agree. Skin Game is a damn good book that seemed to stretch Harry and force the character to grow. Peace Talks/Battle Ground felt like a return to Harry of the first three to five books. It was really odd.
Mira:
--- Quote from: SerScot on November 07, 2021, 02:46:10 PM ---Harry literally said he’d let the world burn to save Maggie. Uriel pointed out how he failed Molly with that blinkered view. Uriel was right. Molly followed Harry’s lead. She trusted him. Asking Molly to assist his suicide damaged Molly severely whether she holds a grude or not. Harry owns that terrible mistake.
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It was still her decision to do it, her choice.. Harry cannot be held responsible because his brain wasn't working right at the time. What proves that point, is he didn't think beyond his death, what about his little girl? He knows how terrible it is to be left as an orphan, yet consign his daughter to that fate? No, is the answer, he wouldn't.. I also think that added to the guilt trip of his own when it comes to Maggie, it wasn't just killing her mother, who was no longer human by the way, but his willingness to leave her an orphan
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 07, 2021, 06:42:30 PM ---It was still her decision to do it, her choice..
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Which does not reduce Harry’s responsibility at all. For Molly’s conversations with Uriel see “The Carpenter Files”
--- Quote ---Harry cannot be held responsible because his brain wasn't working right at the time.
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Uriel disagreed. He helped Harry because the fallen crossed a line but he was pretty clear about what was wrong about Harry’s interactions with Molly and who was responsible.
And he did his best to explain it to Harry. Let Molly burn.
--- Quote ---What proves that point, is he didn't think beyond his death, what about his little girl? He knows how terrible it is to be left as an orphan, yet consign his daughter to that fate? No, is the answer, he wouldn't.. I also think that added to the guilt trip of his own when it comes to Maggie, it wasn't just killing her mother, who was no longer human by the way, but his willingness to leave her an orphan
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As usual Harry felt guilty for the wrong reasons. Susan sacrificed herself for Maggie and he should honor her for it. And Susan was still human enough to sacrifice herself.
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