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Why didn’t Molly go to Eb or Listens to Wind as Harry suggested?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 06, 2021, 12:15:37 AM ---Luccio also didn't have a whole lot of latitude to complain about someone peeking at whether her mind had been tampered with, when it had, after OK'ing Molly checking Harry for mental tampering when Michael noticed the removal of fire from his inventory.
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Which might not even be a violation of the law, it could be that Harry and Morgan are just too strict. We know the rules can change somewhat when you want or do not want to behead someone.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 06, 2021, 12:15:37 AM ---Luccio also didn't have a whole lot of latitude to complain about someone peeking at whether her mind had been tampered with, when it had, after OK'ing Molly checking Harry for mental tampering when Michael noticed the removal of fire from his inventory.
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I doubt the Council knew about Molly checking Harry, but yeah, unauthorized, it is against the Law. Now perhaps you can make a plea, she had good reason and a Holy Knight asked her, but it still was breaking the Law. They are overly strict, technically Harry and Molly were breaking the Law when they did their mental sparing to over come the inadequate mental defense techniques that the Council allows that almost got Harry killed. Remember the Corpsetaker making fun of Harry, because he didn't have a chance against her using the sanctioned mental defense technique that he was legally allowed.
--- Quote ---Which might not even be a violation of the law, it could be that Harry and Morgan are just too strict. We know the rules can change somewhat when you want or do not want to behead someone.
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Oh I doubt they changed that Law much if at all, that is why Morgan told Harry with his dying breath that he hadn't turned in Molly. Both Molly and Harry would have been toast, and at the time when she tried to go into their heads they didn't act like the Law had been relaxed, and actually neither did Mouse.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 06, 2021, 04:47:46 PM ---I doubt the Council knew about Molly checking Harry, but yeah, unauthorized, it is against the Law. Now perhaps you can make a plea, she had good reason and a Holy Knight asked her, but it still was breaking the Law. They are overly strict, technically Harry and Molly were breaking the Law when they did their mental sparing to over come the inadequate mental defense techniques that the Council allows that almost got Harry killed.
--- Quote ---The sparring did not break the law because they invited each other to do so, it was technically not an invasion. That is important. I don’t think Harry would have done it if it was a violation of the laws anyway. He might do such things under pressure when he sees no way out but deliberately after thinking about it several times? Unlikely.
--- Quote ---Remember the Corpsetaker making fun of Harry, because he didn't have a chance against her using the sanctioned mental defense technique that he was legally allowed. Oh I doubt they changed that Law much if at all, that is why Morgan told Harry with his dying breath that he hadn't turned in Molly. Both Molly and Harry would have been toast, and at the time when she tried to go into their heads they didn't act like the Law had been relaxed, and actually neither did Mouse.
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The law does not change but the interpretation changes over time and over persons and the interpretation can be politically motivated. Lucio seems to be more relaxed about some grey areas and Morgan is very strict. But Lucio has the laws ingrained in her very person as well, that is why even enthralled she used a knife to kill.
Also how Morgan reacted on the dinosaur was different from how the others reacted.
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Mira:
--- Quote ---The sparring did not break the law because they invited each other to do so, it was technically not an invasion. That is important. I don’t think Harry would have done it if it was a violation of the laws anyway. He might do such things under pressure when he sees no way out but deliberately after thinking about it several times? Unlikely.
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I don't disagree, but if that is completely kosher with the Council, then why are the mental defensive techniques taught to and allowed by the Council so pathetic?
This is what Harry says about it in Dead Beat page 166 paperback
--- Quote ---Gulp. Mental magic is a dark, dark, dark grey area of the art. Every wizard who makes it to the White Council has received training in how to defend against mental assaults, but it is perfunctory at best. After all the Council made it a special point to wipe out wizards who violated the sanctuary of another's mind. It's one of the Laws of Magic, and if the Wardens caught someone doing it, they killed them, end of story. There was no such thing as an expert at that kind of magic on the White Council, and as a result the defense training was devised by relative amateurs..
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Presumably if you are a new member of the Council you receive defensive training, but it is almost useless because 1] they have no experts in mind magic, 2] they are so afraid of it and of breaking the law, they barely teach it.. So given that explanation, even though they gave each other full permission to spar, Harry and Molly were walking a dangerous tightrope between legal and not legal. Given the charges against Molly to begin with, this could have been an excuse to lop off both Harry and Molly's heads.
--- Quote ---The law does not change but the interpretation changes over time and over persons and the interpretation can be politically motivated. Lucio seems to be more relaxed about some grey areas and Morgan is very strict. But Lucio has the laws ingrained in her very person as well, that is why even enthralled she used a knife to kill.
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The interpretation hadn't changed, Morgan was grateful to Harry for trying to save him and prove his innocence. He was also grateful to him for exposing Peabody and thus saving Luccio as well. He also in the end found out what it was like to be a hounded man by an over zealous enforcer, so he didn't turn in Molly. What I believe is, if it had been the old Morgan of a few books before Proven Guilty, both Harry and Molly would have lost their heads on the spot. As far as Luccio goes, she was so damaged and for intents and purposes enthralled by Peabody, if she made any charges I think they'd have been mostly ignored.
Arjan:
The interpretation can be pretty flexible as we have seen several times and some things that are not really violations of the law can be enough to have your head cut off if the council wants to. As soon as you get in the grey area it can become politics pretty fast and they don’t have to be consistent or even rational about it if it suits them.
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