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Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on October 12, 2021, 02:18:23 AM ---I don't think there was three. I think Jim put his own spin. There are 3 Fates. Mother, Queen, Lady. 3 Fates for Winter, 3 Fates for Summer. If there wasa 3rd Mother, what would she represent? Not a season as the other 2 do. A 3rd Mother would be out of place from the readers perspective. There is a precise balance between Winter and Summer, and a 3rd Mother wouldn't make sense.
EDIT: Unless before they took up Winter, and Summer, there were 3 Mothers, and the 3rd Mother leads the Fomor who Jim did say were defeated by the Sidhe.
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Nah, I'm not a fan of the Fomor mother idea. The Fates were seen as maiden/mother/crone triple deity. That got split in half to get the six queens we know and love.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: groinkick on October 12, 2021, 02:18:23 AM ---I don't think there was three. I think Jim put his own spin. There are 3 Fates. Mother, Queen, Lady. 3 Fates for Winter, 3 Fates for Summer. If there wasa 3rd Mother, what would she represent? Not a season as the other 2 do. A 3rd Mother would be out of place from the readers perspective. There is a precise balance between Winter and Summer, and a 3rd Mother wouldn't make sense.
EDIT: Unless before they took up Winter, and Summer, there were 3 Mothers, and the 3rd Mother leads the Fomor who Jim did say were defeated by the Sidhe.
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life, fate, all things to come, there's a reason they had to throw her @$$ out when free will came about. Lachesis the spinner, decided fate for everything, in some stories even the Gods Couldn't defy fate.
Lachesis IS in DF if only apparent by her noticable absence. Her spin wheel actually made an appearance in SK, something I chalk up to one of those object/mantles MW seems to collect as trophies for particular kills.
As for a third not making sense, of course not, but as you say, they weren't originally formed as they are.. they created the courts later, those are not the original forms of them, least not the mother's who would actually matter on the right scale. Summer and Winter are smaller aspects of themselves they broke off.
Or on another wavelength, Norse mythology is fire and ice consuming the world makes a third power, Water. Kinda fomory that.
Slightly off topic tin foil theory (click to show/hide)the missing fate and her connection to Nemesis (the goddess) I think are key elements in the DF. They tore her apart and broke down the different aspects and gave them out in different places. One piece of which I think, is wizardy itself. Magical the vessel for which Lachesis enforced fate would make alot of sense compared to the mythology. Wizards only get in trouble from violation of free will, the murphyonic effect is a basic byproduct of lady luck, alot of the bad guys are trying to recreate that image of a powerful young female wizard whose slightly unbalanced, ect.
morriswalters:
Jim says no on splitting Hecate up and down. There either something we haven't seen or something hiding in plain sight. Maybe the Gates. The cottage may be part and parcel of the Mother's identity. Which may be why we never see them out of it.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Mantles were additive, they didn’t divide, so the power of the Fates and Hecate were poured into their creation, at a minimum. The Queens and Ladies were less powerful than a god such as Hades or Odin no longer allowed in the real world fully manifest, but the Mothers are more powerful, and definitely cannot leave the Never Never.
We certainly haven’t found everything which went into the creation of the Mantles or how and why they were created, we might be surprised who else donated their power but I wouldn’t be surprised if Athena and Artemis didn’t put the bulk of their power in the Mantles as well.indeed I suspect the majority of the female members of the Greek Pantheon contributed to the Mantles , to make the OP Mothers.
The_Sibelis:
What is this Woj on Hecate not "splitting up or down"? Context?
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