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Mother Winter Blackstaff Back
Conspiracy Theorist:
If the Outsiders get into one universe they can spread, so the White God will prune rather than lose in that universe.
The White God has been with Creation from Day One, the Mothers in whatever form have likely been around only since humanity evolved the concepts which they embody. They therefore may not have evolved to Full Intellectus without the mantels as belief splinters empowering many different deities, instead of one, rationing the power. The Mantles were formed from the power of several major deities, perhaps none of which developed Full Intellectus, the Fates may only have had an Intellectus about the people of Earth perhaps, not enough for the task at hand if it couldn’t cover non-humans, or other worlds.
Otherwise there is no need to create the Mantles.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 11, 2021, 06:59:01 AM ---yeah, I usually see it that way, but something in his post made me reconsider, if the point of taking the queens us to get to the mother's, then what they're really looking for is one opening that undoes all reality. If MS(because I kinda assume MW already is, but fights it proactively) became Nemfected, then as a being omnipresent, infected by another being apparently omnipresent then... What?
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Mother Winter is the original, Mother Summer is not, the previous stepped down. So a Mother can be replaced. Also when Jim was asked about Nemesis infecting an Angel, he stated that Nemesis isn't some omnipotent Being, It has limits. Leah, who is not remotely on the same level as a Mother was able to resist It, long enough for Mab to help her. I don't believe that Nemesis is capable of taking on something as big as one of the Mothers. It's just not on that level.
I think it's more like they want a foothold, and for mortals to begin worshipping the Old Ones.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: groinkick on October 11, 2021, 07:26:14 PM ---Mother Winter is the original, Mother Summer is not, the previous stepped down. So a Mother can be replaced. Also when Jim was asked about Nemesis infecting an Angel, he stated that Nemesis isn't some omnipotent Being, It has limits. Leah, who is not remotely on the same level as a Mother was able to resist It, long enough for Mab to help her.
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🤔 tell me something I don't know? Just because something can be replaced doesn't mean it isn't vital and can't be compromised. Stepping down is much different than becoming a twisted version of oneself. And where as specific things dictate what happens to queen's mantles, we don't know how well mechanismed they are. As you pointed out though, MS isn't the original, this means to me, she isn't pure in formation. How can she be immune to any of the things the courts are vulnerable to when she's the same sort? Nemesis can't effect things that are too absolute, the only thing this specifically applied to was archangels, but it really leaves alot open for interpretation That's a disconnect between host and spiritual entity, how can she be absolute when she's inherited her position and wears it?
--- Quote --- I don't believe that Nemesis is capable of taking on something as big as one of the Mothers. It's just not on that level.
I think it's more like they want a foothold, and for mortals to begin worshipping the Old Ones.
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heh, im thinking when we find out what the outer gates are a metaphor for, that's exactly what they do. Mother's don't have to be too big, nemesis is only dipping a toe in reality itself. An either it took out the 3rd sister of fate, compromised her, or just straight up IS her, but for any of those to have happened she'd have to be directly on par with, or capable of subverting mother level powers... It's already been done once.
Conspiracy Theorist:
You can nemfect a Mother, infect a Lady and kill the Queen and wait.
Both Ladies were infected so that was a likely strategy.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 11, 2021, 09:03:56 PM ---An either it took out the 3rd sister of fate
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I don't think there was three. I think Jim put his own spin. There are 3 Fates. Mother, Queen, Lady. 3 Fates for Winter, 3 Fates for Summer. If there wasa 3rd Mother, what would she represent? Not a season as the other 2 do. A 3rd Mother would be out of place from the readers perspective. There is a precise balance between Winter and Summer, and a 3rd Mother wouldn't make sense.
EDIT: Unless before they took up Winter, and Summer, there were 3 Mothers, and the 3rd Mother leads the Fomor who Jim did say were defeated by the Sidhe.
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