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Mother Winter Blackstaff Back
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 12, 2021, 06:12:59 AM ---What is this Woj on Hecate not "splitting up or down"? Context?
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If I can find it I'll post it. At some point I had the idea that the Mantle had been split vertically, 2 Mothers, 2 Queens and 2 Ladies. Somebody shot me down with a WOJ where Jim says otherwise. I'll try to find it.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 12, 2021, 02:01:04 PM ---If I can find it I'll post it. At some point I had the idea that the Mantle had been split vertically, 2 Mothers, 2 Queens and 2 Ladies. Somebody shot me down with a WOJ where Jim says otherwise. I'll try to find it.
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This isn't that but I found this quote interesting
--- Quote ---The Mothers are extremely powerful beings, I mean, they’re really really well, you can tell because they hardly ever show up on the real world. In the Dresden Files universe if you don’t show up on the real world, it’s because you’re too big to walk around there. For instance, I think in the third book, when the Dragon is talking about how the Earth couldn’t bear his weight, it’s not that the Earth itself would literally crack, it’s that reality would have issues trying to contain him, because every time he coughs, it would bend around like Neo in the Matrix. So, they spend most of their time NOT on the real world, they spend it hanging around in the Nevernever, all the really heavyweight guys do that. If you’re in the real world, well, the problem is that you’re in the world, and you’re kind of mortal, and something could come along and try and whack you, if they’re fast enough, or good enough, or lucky enough. Which makes Odin a kind of special guy, because he doesn’t mind it, he thinks it’s awesome. But anyway, you can always tell. If there’s folks who don’t show up in the real world, it’s because they’re super big. So, like, an angel shows up, and it’s just sort of a whispered presence that one person is aware of, that’s because he’s just too big to show up here, it’s a giant sandbox, and he’s got to be very very careful to not squash the sandbox. So, he just shows up for that one bit.
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If this is true then it could mean the Mothers can't be killed, as long as they are in the NeverNever.
groinkick:
Jim called Mother Winter Baba Yaga. There are similarities with Baba Yaga, and Hecate. It could be that Baba Yaga is Winter, 3 women, and Hecate is Summer, 3 women.
"In Slavic folklore, Baba Yaga (/ˌbɑːbə ˈjɑːɡə/; Russian: Баба-Яга, romanized: Baba-Yaga, pronounced [ˈbabə jɪˈɡa] (About this soundlisten))[a] is a supernatural being (or a trio of sisters of the same name)"
"However, it is noticeable that, like Hecate, Baba Yaga presides over a wide, diverse array of domains and functions."
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Mothers are immortal, like Mab she couldn’t be killed even with iron. Only the Stone Table which appears to have been set up as part of the Mantles, a deliberate backdoor, could kill them, or on Halloween when all immortals are vulnerable.
Many deities have cropped up under various names, the Fates could easily also have been Baba Yaga and her sisters, and the Norns etc. Lots of powerful triumvirates of witches. You have the original trio of the maiden, mother and the crone, they put their power in one set of Mantles, and additional power is added by other deities on Halloween to power them up, most notably the Crone, and a lesser extent the Mother. At the same time the same applies to Summer, a different triumvirate and the Stone Table is created regulating the Mantles and setting the limits upon their use, creating a balance. Some of the ordinal donors of power stay on under the new Mantles. All this is done under the strictures of the White God, be in the mortal world under lesser power, or face exile to the Never Never.
The knights are created at this time as well, the Mantles most in the real world, again from donated power. With the Courts created, the Fae (all Wildfae at this point) start declaring for their Court.
LostInTime:
Mab could have indeed been killed that night. She told Harry so in her contingent final command.
Mab was immobilized with iron. What would have happened if someone had struck off her head with an iron sword instead of removing the rebar? We'll never know, that moment has passed. (That wouldn't have been Butters. The faithsaber could have definitely ended Mab. An angel's power is far beyond Mab.)
Enough power could have killed Mab. She said so herself. We don't know all of the times, places and conditions under which immortals can be killed. But I bet we're going to find out.
For what it's worth, the mantles don't make you immortal. You are still mortal, you are loaned immortality. Just as Michael was loaned Uriel's grace. If that mantle is taken away, you are just as mortal as you were before you got it. And Kringle's words to Harry at the end of Cold Days indicate that the mantles can be changed on Halloween. A mantle need not be forever. The original Mother Summer retired, per WOJ.
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