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Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 26, 2021, 05:22:24 AM ---She literally had Dresden in a position he couldn't get out. She could have ripped his head from his body. Harry's inner dialogue was that he was powerless. Dresden was caught off guard by her, but because of the Black Court's incredible speed, it's likely that the others were caught off guard.
I think that 1 vs 1 Harry, or the others could have probably handled any one of the Black Court vamps there but it was a group of vamps moving at super speed.
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But they handled them, Harry, Carlos, Listens to Wind, and River Shoulders lived to fight another day, as Listen says, that's a win.. Mavra could have done this or that, but she didn't succeed.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on September 22, 2021, 06:13:40 PM ---We could try to make a list of wizards who would probably win a fight against Dresden on neutral territory and both fresh and perhaps one with wizards where it would be roughly equal and one with those that would probably loose. To get 8t started I think:
Probably win
The Merlin
Eb
Listens to wind
Rashid
Molly
Roughly equal
Cowl
Kumori
Marcone
Probably loose
Carlos
Chandler
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Arguably, Molly doesn't count - she isn't Council anymore, I think, since becoming Winter Lady. Non-winter Molly loses.
Cowl takes Harry, easily.
I don't think we saw enough of Kumori to be sure, but I tend to lean Harry,
Mira:
--- Quote ---Cowl takes Harry, easily.
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Really? That hasn't happened in spite of the so called advantage Cowl supposedly has, as in age and experience.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 27, 2021, 02:11:19 PM ---Really? That hasn't happened in spite of the so called advantage Cowl supposedly has, as in age and experience.
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There have only been like three chances total? One in DB when they met and Cowl was playing with Harry (I don't count the end there because Harry sucker punched him when he was managing the Darkhallow). One in WN when Cowl zapped him through Little Chicago and busted it. Then again in the Raith Deeps when he let in the uber-ghouls and the pteradactyl before leaving altogether and not really fighting Harry.
Cowl has shown Senior Council level of power and control (possibly because he's Simon, a former Senior Council member). I think he takes down Harry in a fair fight, but with the winter knight's mantle it could be closer. Kinda like the Harry/Eb fight.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 27, 2021, 03:05:34 PM ---There have only been like three chances total? One in DB when they met and Cowl was playing with Harry (I don't count the end there because Harry sucker punched him when he was managing the Darkhallow). One in WN when Cowl zapped him through Little Chicago and busted it. Then again in the Raith Deeps when he let in the uber-ghouls and the pteradactyl before leaving altogether and not really fighting Harry.
Cowl has shown Senior Council level of power and control (possibly because he's Simon, a former Senior Council member). I think he takes down Harry in a fair fight, but with the winter knight's mantle it could be closer. Kinda like the Harry/Eb fight.
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Yet, those times you mention, compared to Cowl, Harry is very young and inexperienced without
the aid of a mantle of any kind, further though the shadow of Lasciel was in his head for part of the time, she didn't enhance his power or magic. Still he held his own, I disagree that Cowl was simply toying with him in their first meeting, Harry has grown since they last met in knowlege, mantel, and experience.
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