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Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 23, 2021, 05:39:45 PM ---My issue isn't so much with the fact that they lost; it's that we finally get to see Harry's war buddies fight, and they get wiped. They've got a reputation for being survivors, tough customers, veterans of a bloody and brutal protracted conflict (and then a second one, against the Fomor). I would've liked to have seen them win a fight or three before this encounter, to justify the reputation Harry gives them. It's not quite the Worf Effect, because you at least saw Worf kick plenty of keisters before he started getting his own kicked in return, but it left a similar taste in my mouth.
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They get some nice time like that in one of the comics. War Cry, I think? The problem is that there are only so many pages you can fit in before the BAT. Maybe a short story from Ramirez's perspective could be done. It would be neat to have him dealing with losing them while doing flashbacks to some time they worked well together without Harry.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 05:44:06 PM ---They knew they were about to go into battle one way or another when they came across Mavra, Drakul and company, if they are good warriors, and Wardens supposedly are, then they should have been ready.
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Meh, dealing with blampires necessitates specialized prep more than most fights. That crew was expecting wizard necromancers, not blampires. Not even usual blampires like Harry fought on Thomas's birthday, elder blampires.
In the end, they do seem to have taken out two of them on their own. Only Mavra, tentacle guy, and the twins are mentioned of the original Drakul + Mavra + four elder blampires. = 7 figures.
I don't think they had as bad a showing for their fight as people are saying. Just a lot of it was off page.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 05:44:06 PM ---But he also had Murphy at his back, the two of them have squared off against enemies with much tougher odds and still won.
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Two on four where your mortal is in bad physical shape is not a good combination, even if you stipulate that they've lucked out of tougher odds before. That wasn't a fight that Harry and Murphy could have won without extreme luck and severe injury to themselves or their friends.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 05:44:06 PM ---Maybe not full rouge, but at the same time he could have held back just enough not to be of help against Harry.
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Meh, Chandler strikes me as more aligned with WC ideals than Ramirez, and he was not going to side with Harry against the others or stay neutral. I don't think Chandler dislikes Harry at all, but Harry is not going to be in the first few items on his priority list of loyalties.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 08:35:38 PM ---Huh? I don't remember Harry being "for" Drakul.. Harry fared better because when he sneezed huge iron anvils fell out of the sky.. Then again as Listens to Wind said, if you fight these kinds of creatures to a draw, it is a win..
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Yep, it was around when they showed Bill's and Yoshimo's bodies. Harry was intentionally spared, and Carlos was next on the chopping block.
--- Quote from: Battle Ground Ch.13 ---The other twin pointed at me. “Give it to my sister. She must restore herself.”
“His blood is not for the likes of you or me,” Mavra replied calmly. “Starborn are for the Master.”
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BrainFireBob:
It's interesting to me that people seem to forget that a lot of Mab's "physical therapy" was about sharpening his magical skills in Cold Days. Harry's much better, faster, and more efficient at casting than he was before, in addition to being pushed to a physical peak it appears he's bothering to maintain having achieved.
I rather suspect that this is all relevant to Mirror, Mirror- native Harry is a bit lazy, reliant on his natural brawn- physical and magical- over precision. Main timeline Harry was forced to go without crutches, develop his magical skills, and achieve the latent physical potential due to the pain suppression of the Knight Mantle.
I rather suspect Harry will find himself summoned into something like a waterfall that he just Hulks his way out of, to the total surprise of alt-Harry. Or uses his new ice powers for same- force the water into ice against his body, now he's no longer in running water.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Yep, it was around when they showed Bill's and Yoshimo's bodies. Harry was intentionally spared, and Carlos was next on the chopping bloc
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Mavra says a lot of things, that doesn't mean it will go her way. It still was a draw, and as Listens to Wind says, that's a win..
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 22, 2021, 11:03:57 AM ---
Yeah, he is Joe Louis, but he isn't an aging out of shape Joe Louis that takes his skills for granted, he cannot afford to.. Joe Louis got knocked out, Harry could be dead.
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I said he was young - at the time of the first Schmeling fight, Joe Louis was 22 and had yet to fight for the title. Crude and strong - like Harry. Couple of tips away from being a dominator.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 11:13:07 PM ---Mavra says a lot of things, that doesn't mean it will go her way. It still was a draw, and as Listens to Wind says, that's a win..
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She literally had Dresden in a position he couldn't get out. She could have ripped his head from his body. Harry's inner dialogue was that he was powerless. Dresden was caught off guard by her, but because of the Black Court's incredible speed, it's likely that the others were caught off guard.
I think that 1 vs 1 Harry, or the others could have probably handled any one of the Black Court vamps there but it was a group of vamps moving at super speed.
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