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groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 19, 2021, 06:33:05 PM ---Let's not forget that he went head to head against the WC's top enforcer in PT. Neither was going for the kill directly, but they weren't just sparring for fun either. While Harry didn't win that fight, one mistake on either side could have changed the outcome easily. In a fair fight (not that those actually exist in this series), Harry is definitely a big-ish fish in the WC.
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He didn't go head to head with Eb in a magical duel. It was a duel with staves. The moment Eb got too angry he killed fake Harry with magic.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 20, 2021, 03:31:40 AM ---Ordinarily I'd agree, but I think it was a bit more complicated than that. I don't think Carlos approached Harry to be part of the security detail because he is good in a fight, though on the surface Harry is an obvious choice. No, it was when he came to inform him he was on the detail that Carlos secretly slapped the tracking tab on Harry.. No, mostly it was a ruse so they could keep a close eye on him, and this was before Thomas did what he did.
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I wouldn’t say mostly it was to keep an eye on Harry, but two birds one stone is always nice.
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 20, 2021, 04:35:36 AM ---He didn't go head to head with Eb in a magical duel. It was a duel with staves. The moment Eb got too angry he killed fake Harry with magic.
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Of course he did. They threw spells around, and Harry presses his physical advantage by closing in with frosty flooring and staff fighting.
Harry would have lost a purely magical duel, but there aren’t any of those outside an Accords duel. The point is Harry put up a respectable fight against the WC’s top enforcer. He’d stand a better chance against weaker opponents, i.e. most every other wizard in the world.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Of course he did. They threw spells around, and Harry presses his physical advantage by closing in with frosty flooring and staff fighting.
Harry would have lost a purely magical duel, but there aren’t any of those outside an Accords duel. The point is Harry put up a respectable fight against the WC’s top enforcer. He’d stand a better chance against weaker opponents, i.e. most every other wizard in the world.
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Until the end that is, we don't know how much Eb was holding back until he totally lost it.
Con:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 20, 2021, 06:04:31 AM ---Harry would have lost a purely magical duel, but there aren’t any of those outside an Accords duel. The point is Harry put up a respectable fight against the WC’s top enforcer. He’d stand a better chance against weaker opponents, i.e. most every other wizard in the world.
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Agreed.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 20, 2021, 10:30:19 AM ---Until the end that is, we don't know how much Eb was holding back until he totally lost it.
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I mean if he had Blackstaff he could have straight up killed him, but yeah it was more than a friendly sparring match. Harry held his own is the point, puts his combat abilities in the top 10.
Basil:
I'm going to be a bit contrarian here. I don't think Harry is actually that good at magical combat. I'll bet that he's maybe top 50 in the council, which considering their casualties over the past ten years is not as great as it seems.
To use a combat sport analogy to explain, I'd say that Harry is a good puncher, but not a good boxer. Like a lot of very hard hitters, it's a crutch for him and he leans on it way too much. His duel with Hannah Asher was quite ironic, given that he was essentially fighting himself from only a few years prior.
We've seen several examples of far less -- let's use the word energetic, rather than powerful -- practitioners demonstrate that they could be more than a match for Harry.
It's actually a good thing for the narrative that he is so bad. Given the potential power he wields, if he were also very skilled, it would lower the stakes.
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