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Mira:
--- Quote ---I remember thinking that about the 16 year olds at the time, but then at the same time I thought given the number of Supernatural stuff marketed to teenagers. Harry Potter, Twilight, Vampire Diaries so on and so forth.
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Then again, those kids were captured, tortured, and eaten by those ghouls in short order, that is what set Harry off to the point where he totally lost it. Of course it didn't help that Lasciel's shadow was stoking his rage, but I think even if she wasn't in his head he still would of lost it. What happened to those kids was that horrible.
--- Quote ---Was just thinking about this and how the discussion may be too one dimensional. Wizard power is but one power source. The Gatekeeper may be the most dangerous, not because of his wizard capabilities but because of a Mantle he has. The same could be said for any others.
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We don't even know what Mantle the Gatekeeper carries, if he carries any. All we know is he traded in one of his eyes for a Nemesis detector made of the same material as the Outer Gates.. We know he can also tell what might happen in the future with it. That is he can see odds, not the future exactly, as in Turn Coat, when Harry was on the boat, Rashid did his eye thing and told Harry what his chances were, then when Harry hopped onto the island, Rashid saw a different future. Mantles also are not the same, Eb and Rashid both call being the Warden of Demonreach a Mantle, yet off the island it has a limit, as in with power boost, the shores of Lake Michigan, beyond which it is merely a title. The mantles of the Queens, Ladies, and Knights seem to have no limit.. However in the case of the Knights, they can numb pain, but not prevent serious injury.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2021, 11:39:44 PM ---We don't even know what Mantle the Gatekeeper carries, if he carries any. All we know is he traded in one of his eyes for a Nemesis detector made of the same material as the Outer Gates.. We know he can also tell what might happen in the future with it. That is he can see odds, not the future exactly, as in Turn Coat, when Harry was on the boat, Rashid did his eye thing and told Harry what his chances were, then when Harry hopped onto the island, Rashid saw a different future.
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He watches the Outer Gates and is called "The Gate Keeper". Almost positive that it's an actual Mantle of power. I tend to think of it as a Winter Mantle but it could be a Summer one.
--- Quote ---Mantles also are not the same, Eb and Rashid both call being the Warden of Demonreach a Mantle, yet off the island it has a limit, as in with power boost, the shores of Lake Michigan, beyond which it is merely a title. The mantles of the Queens, Ladies, and Knights seem to have no limit.. However in the case of the Knights, they can numb pain, but not prevent serious injury.
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All Mantles have some sort of limit. Harry's is leaving the Island. Mab is getting stabbed with Iron. Do that and she can't use her power.
Mira:
--- Quote ---He watches the Outer Gates and is called "The Gate Keeper". Almost positive that it's an actual Mantle of power. I tend to think of it as a Winter Mantle but it could be a Summer one.
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Or unique in that it is a Mantle that serves both Courts, more likely the Mothers. One theory that I believe has legs is that his "eye" is the eye that the three Fates shared to see the future, Mother Winter responded to the name, Atropos, which was the name of one of the three sisters.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 18, 2021, 06:04:53 AM ---I don't think they were really dedicated bodyguards for the most part. Chandler is usually around the Seniors, yes, and guarding Ways, but Bill Meyers was a regular Warden down towards Texas, Harry was his boss. Carlos was western regional commander. Having Carlos and Bill get called up to a US fight is nothing odd. Until the last couple of books had we even seen Yoshimo? We had referenced her, when Harry was researching the ancestry of the Knights of the Cross. But just in a letter. They were NOT in the guard detail that went to Demonreach, and it should be expected Mai would have called in some heavies for that. And really, do we know where Chandler ranked? We know he had Carlos and Bill. Chandler is a guess.
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Ramirez was in charge and got to pick the security detail, so he went with wardens he was comfortable working with and that were good in a fight. It's why he approached Harry in PT to join the security detail.
We also know that Chandler is a very trusted warden by WoJ. He's one of the few that gets solo guard duty for Edinburgh. He's also allowed to pursue his time magic specialty, even though it skirts one of the Laws.
In the end, I think its pretty safe to say that Harry is in the top 15 most dangerous wizards after BG. He's got plenty of raw power for a wizard. He's (painstakingly) slowly improving his control and efficiency with magic. He's got a long list of powerful entities where he has a strong working relationship. He has a fallback position where he's nearly invincible in Demonreach. Plus, he has the Winter Knight's mantle to draw upon and to guard his physical flank.
Let's not forget that he went head to head against the WC's top enforcer in PT. Neither was going for the kill directly, but they weren't just sparring for fun either. While Harry didn't win that fight, one mistake on either side could have changed the outcome easily. In a fair fight (not that those actually exist in this series), Harry is definitely a big-ish fish in the WC.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Ramirez was in charge and got to pick the security detail, so he went with wardens he was comfortable working with and that were good in a fight. It's why he approached Harry in PT to join the security detail.
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Ordinarily I'd agree, but I think it was a bit more complicated than that. I don't think Carlos approached Harry to be part of the security detail because he is good in a fight, though on the surface Harry is an obvious choice. No, it was when he came to inform him he was on the detail that Carlos secretly slapped the tracking tab on Harry.. No, mostly it was a ruse so they could keep a close eye on him, and this was before Thomas did what he did.
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