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White Council Top Members
Con:
The only other Wardens we know by name are Bjorn and Luccio.
morriswalters:
You get to be high in the Wardens by having survived the Reds. Just in Dead Beat 143 wardens were killed. So Chandler or Carlos being high in the pantheon of the Wardens is more about having survived then anything else.
On Harry's relative power or danger level there isn't really anybody that could challenge him on his ground fighting his fight. On Demonreach you'd be at hazard from both the environment which Harry can control, or of being sent to bad boy time out. In Chicago he is on his turf backed by his allies. And if he thinks before he fights he even more dangerous. He anticipated Eb in the fight at the dock and made preparations to win against the Blackstaff. Which he did. He then fought Lara and Freya and never broke a sweat.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You get to be high in the Wardens by having survived the Reds. Just in Dead Beat 143 wardens were killed. So Chandler or Carlos being high in the pantheon of the Wardens is more about having survived then anything else.
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You have to include Harry in that group as well. The war with the Reds in many ways really screwed up the Warden command structure and power curve. When the war broke out the above named Wardens were all considered "young" Wardens, but so many of them were wiped out, they became "senior." We have Harry in that horrible flash back where the ghouls captured and went feasting on young Warden trainees and Harry totally lost it. The thing I remember about that is they were all described as being teenagers, which means they were little more than young apprentices. If it is true that Harry being named "full wizard" at the age of sixteen was unusual, then these kids were either exceptional young wizards, or sacrificed as little more than cannon fodder.. Or can young apprentices chose to be future Wardens and were in the White Council's equivalent of the ROTC? And if so, was the White Council so hard up, that like the "Children's Crusade" or when the South emptied local military schools to fight, these kids were pressed into battles in which they had no chance?
Con:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 18, 2021, 03:03:34 PM ---You get to be high in the Wardens by having survived the Reds. Just in Dead Beat 143 wardens were killed. So Chandler or Carlos being high in the pantheon of the Wardens is more about having survived then anything else.
On Harry's relative power or danger level there isn't really anybody that could challenge him on his ground fighting his fight. On Demonreach you'd be at hazard from both the environment which Harry can control, or of being sent to bad boy time out. In Chicago he is on his turf backed by his allies. And if he thinks before he fights he even more dangerous. He anticipated Eb in the fight at the dock and made preparations to win against the Blackstaff. Which he did. He then fought Lara and Freya and never broke a sweat.
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Agreed, on every point. Particularly know he has his own magical castle.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2021, 04:56:22 PM ---You have to include Harry in that group as well. The war with the Reds in many ways really screwed up the Warden command structure and power curve. When the war broke out the above named Wardens were all considered "young" Wardens, but so many of them were wiped out, they became "senior." We have Harry in that horrible flash back where the ghouls captured and went feasting on young Warden trainees and Harry totally lost it. The thing I remember about that is they were all described as being teenagers, which means they were little more than young apprentices. If it is true that Harry being named "full wizard" at the age of sixteen was unusual, then these kids were either exceptional young wizards, or sacrificed as little more than cannon fodder.. Or can young apprentices chose to be future Wardens and were in the White Council's equivalent of the ROTC? And if so, was the White Council so hard up, that like the "Children's Crusade" or when the South emptied local military schools to fight, these kids were pressed into battles in which they had no chance?
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I remember thinking that about the 16 year olds at the time, but then at the same time I thought given the number of Supernatural stuff marketed to teenagers. Harry Potter, Twilight, Vampire Diaries so on and so forth.
groinkick:
Was just thinking about this and how the discussion may be too one dimensional. Wizard power is but one power source. The Gatekeeper may be the most dangerous, not because of his wizard capabilities but because of a Mantle he has. The same could be said for any others.
Look at Harry. He can tap into the Winter Knight Mantle, utilize the Island, and it's prisoners, has a god killing weapon, and the spear. This also doesn't take into account of favors owed by powerful Beings that one can get. Harry for example could probably get an incredible amount of power if he offered to release a prisoner.
So this in my opinion makes it a little difficult to measure true power because we don't know what power the Council members are tapping into. I believe Jim mentioned Listen's to Wind's shapeshifting ability is connected to a Mantle he has. So his awesome shape shifting abilities might not be entirely from being a wizard.
Looking at how the Wizards nature is to learn, gain power, and be secretive, it's really difficult to know where their natural power ends, and where another source of power begins.
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