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DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 12, 2021, 08:43:06 PM ---Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will. If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will. Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained. One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab. Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be.. The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain. In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.
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I tend to think the third option would be a subconscious choice actually, I remember someone pointing out it was Harry's ID wearing the winter badge for instance. An ID harry was being influenced by lash too.
I think it's a matrix dupe. She accepted on some level without knowing exactly what she was saying yes to.
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 13, 2021, 12:32:30 AM ---I tend to think the third option would be a subconscious choice actually, I remember someone pointing out it was Harry's ID wearing the winter badge for instance. An ID harry was being influenced by lash too.
I think it's a matrix dupe. She accepted on some level without knowing exactly what she was saying yes to.
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That is the trick. Yes, on many levels she freely made the choices that got her where she ended up.
Yet, in truth since she had no understanding of what her choices would mean, how free were they?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 12, 2021, 08:43:06 PM ---Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will. If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will. Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained. One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab. Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be.. The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain. In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.
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Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 13, 2021, 12:58:05 AM ---Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
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Molly still had choices though, it was her choice to assist Harry's suicide. On one level you could almost say Mab was taking a bit of revenge by training Molly without telling her the reasons because Molly's assistance deprived her of her Knight.
morriswalters:
We might never know, but if you remember Mab said she has something else in mind for Molly. The part of me that likes happy endings thinks that she meant Molly to be Harry's wife.
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