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DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 12, 2021, 06:06:29 PM ---As a matter of language that isn't what he appeared to say. He said to take up the mantle they need to be mortal.
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yeah that makes more sense than what I thought. I don't think what I said is correct. Molly could have wanted it gone and not had a choice. The being mortal requirement makes sense.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2021, 12:39:58 AM ---That is the trick. Yes, on many levels she freely made the choices that got her where she ended up.
Yet, in truth since she had no understanding of what her choices would mean, how free were they?
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that's exactly like real life and growing up. You don't know the consequences til after you do it. You might learn and start to have foresight about certain things, like fire is hot. (But at some point that was probably learned from experience too I suppose..) no, it's not fair.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 12, 2021, 04:12:15 AM ---They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after. I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.
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And I am guessing she had no choice at all. Free will does not mean some things are not forced upon you.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 13, 2021, 12:58:05 AM ---Molly bargained with no one other than Harry. Harry killed himself and once that happened Molly was left on her own. It's the whole point of Ghost Story. Harry placed her in the position she found herself in. And there was no one who could help her. Mab calls him out for this in Cold Days. Harry never meant for any of those things to happen but that doesn't change what did happen. As he tells Maeve right before she dies, free will isn't a super power. That dialog is the best definition of free will that Jim's given to date.
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except that it is not about free will but about lying. Which can be an expression of free will but the Fomor lie all the time.
morriswalters:
Lying is about free will but YMMV.
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