The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 31, 2021, 01:44:39 AM ---It also gives Harry a chance to use LC one last time before it blows up. It got a lot of page time for something that only got used once or twice.
Regardless, it would be nice to know if the Denarian throwing hellfire in Arctis Tor was working alone as well as the purpose of the assault. If it was to rescue Nem!Lea, why did they kill all the trolls but not finish the job in the garden (where Mab would have been able to skewer them thoroughly)? If Mab did step in to stop them, where are all their bodies? If it was a stealth mission, throwing hellfire isn't that stealthy. Overall, it's confusing even when you make the assumption that Maeve was bumping Mab's elbow with ordering fetches around (thereby revealing her own infection).
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That's the thing. We saw what Mab was capable of in Battle Ground. Mab was at the heart of Winter, in her fortress, and her forces got demolished. It doesn't appear the attackers were successful, but they got pretty darn close. There had to have been some extremely heavy hitters there. I'd like to know who they were.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 31, 2021, 02:32:00 AM ---That's the thing. We saw what Mab was capable of in Battle Ground. Mab was at the heart of Winter, in her fortress, and her forces got demolished. It doesn't appear the attackers were successful, but they got pretty darn close. There had to have been some extremely heavy hitters there. I'd like to know who they were.
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Troll bodyguards got killed, but "demolished" might be an overstatement.
--- Quote from: Excerpt from a larger WoJ ---But to correct some minor stuff: the fetches aren’t even /close/ to her strongest servitors. They’re her couriers, harassers, spies and occasional assassins. Captain Kudzu was a being that was deemed more-or-less sufficient on the badassometer, but nothing to write home about. The fetches main use, to Mab, isn’t as battlefield thugs. She’s got /plenty/ of other things for that. Another mild correction: who says Mab /lost/ the battle at Arctis Tor, before Harry and Company arrived? At the end of the day, the Winter Queen was still in her fortress–but you didn’t see anyone standing around assaulting the place, did ya. :) Also, it has probably occurred to more than one of you that if Mab was /really/ in trouble, she could have had the entire military might of Faerie back at the fortress in moments–exactly the way they *did* come back when Harry smacked the Winter Well with the fires of Summer.
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Balance that with
--- Quote --- The Wild Hunt lead by a couple of Denarians such at Thorned Namshiel, The Erlking and a bunch of Outsiders could get the job done. That would have been a fight to see (from a distance).
Nah, they wouldn’t even come close. I mean… it’s like comparing apples and… and hand grenades.
Just about the best they could hope to accomplish would be to force Mab to make an effort. Though when Mab came for them, it wouldn’t be a kick-down-the-door-and-kick-ass kind of encounter. It would be a One-two-three-four-five-Hey-weren’t-there-SIX-of-us-here-a-second-ago? situation.
I mean, sure, the Erlking is a peer of Mab’s–but there’s kind of a reason that it’s /Mab/ who rules the Worst of the Worst in Faerie, and not the Erlking.
All of which doesn’t even TOUCH on the way power is actually balanced in Faerie, because neither Mab nor the Erlking would attempt such a thing, or /consider/ attempting such a thing. It would upset the natural order. Conflicts between most of the Fae powers are very subtle, and generally involve proxies, pride, sex or all of the above. :)
Harry (or Molly or Murphy or Butters or any other mortal) has more potential to harm Mab than that crew. Not much more likelihood of victory, true, but it isn’t /zero/, either.
Jim
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I agree that more information would be better. It's a confusing scene, and I don't think we have enough clues to make a great guess yet.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 31, 2021, 01:44:39 AM ---It also gives Harry a chance to use LC one last time before it blows up. It got a lot of page time for something that only got used once or twice.
Regardless, it would be nice to know if the Denarian throwing hellfire in Arctis Tor was working alone as well as the purpose of the assault. If it was to rescue Nem!Lea, why did they kill all the trolls but not finish the job in the garden (where Mab would have been able to skewer them thoroughly)? If Mab did step in to stop them, where are all their bodies? If it was a stealth mission, throwing hellfire isn't that stealthy. Overall, it's confusing even when you make the assumption that Maeve was bumping Mab's elbow with ordering fetches around (thereby revealing her own infection).
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Don't read this if you don't want a half ass WAG. And it is just that.
(click to show/hide)The answers to your questions may be revealed in the text. Starting with the Cantina Scene in Summer Knight. Harry will tell Billy something about Maeve. Eb's question at the start of Proven Guilty tells you why Arctis Tor was attacked. By Cold Days you should know how Rashid knew. Of the 5 attacks consider the ones where people died and the ones where they didn't. Consider the possibility that the last attack at Michael's house happened before the attack at the Fool Moon Garage and that Harry was wrong about how Scarecrow got to the Fool Moon Garage. Consider why someone might want Madrigal dead in light of the events of White Knight. Harry learns three things at Arctis Tor. Mab has been attacked at her stronghold. Lea has some weird disease. And Slate still lives. Then consider Dead Beat. The last time you hear from Mab directly is in Dead Beat. She won't speak to Harry again until Changes. In Proven Guilty Mab is alone and the Courts are out of balance. Michael tells you who the events were meant to protect in the denouement. Mab points at Namshiel as the culprit in Small Favor And by the end of Skin Game she has killed or ruined everyone she can reach associated with the attack. And it's even money Namshiel acted alone.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 31, 2021, 03:03:45 AM ---Troll bodyguards got killed, but "demolished" might be an overstatement.
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The fire was so hot that Harry said he couldn't have done it with Hellfire. There were skeletons everywhere, indicating a lot of death. I believe Dresden called them Mab's personal guard. In other words, badasses. Mab wouldn't have wimps for protection.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 31, 2021, 03:06:55 AM ---The fire was so hot that Harry said he couldn't have done it with Hellfire. There were skeletons everywhere, indicating a lot of death. I believe Dresden called them Mab's personal guard. In other words, badasses. Mab wouldn't have wimps for protection.
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Lots of death, but no call out for reinforcements and they leave without getting to Lea. That says more that the mook bodyguards got sacrificed for whatever reason than Arctis Tor was in danger of falling.
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