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Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 31, 2021, 03:11:31 AM ---Lots of death, but no call out for reinforcements and they leave without getting to Lea. That says more that the mook bodyguards got sacrificed for whatever reason than Arctis Tor was in danger of falling.
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Who hits Mab and lives to tell the tale?? Apparently the ones who hit there. They had to be heavy hitters. Ok at a minimum, who do you think could have pulled it off? Gone to the heart of Winter, hit a location where Mab was, and not get obliterated?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 31, 2021, 03:06:29 AM ---Don't read this if you don't want a half ass WAG. And it is just that.
(click to show/hide)The answers to your questions may be revealed in the text. Starting with the Cantina Scene in Summer Knight. Harry will tell Billy something about Maeve. Eb's question at the start of Proven Guilty tells you why Arctis Tor was attacked. By Cold Days you should know how Rashid knew. Of the 5 attacks consider the ones where people died and the ones where they didn't. Consider the possibility that the last attack at Michael's house happened before the attack at the Fool Moon Garage and that Harry was wrong about how Scarecrow got to the Fool Moon Garage. Consider why someone might want Madrigal dead in light of the events of White Knight. Harry learns three things at Arctis Tor. Mab has been attacked at her stronghold. Lea has some weird disease. And Slate still lives. Then consider Dead Beat. The last time you hear from Mab directly is in Dead Beat. She won't speak to Harry again until Changes. In Proven Guilty Mab is alone and the Courts are out of balance. Michael tells you who the events were meant to protect in the denouement. Mab points at Namshiel as the culprit in Small Favor And by the end of Skin Game she has killed or ruined everyone she can reach associated with the attack. And it's even money Namshiel acted alone.
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The WAG would be easier to follow if it was explicit instead of a series of innuendos. This is a spoiler section full of people that have read the series several times over.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 31, 2021, 03:20:34 AM ---Who hits Mab and lives to tell the tale?? Apparently the ones who hit there. They had to be heavy hitters. Ok at a minimum, who do you think could have pulled it off? Gone to the heart of Winter, hit a location where Mab was, and not get obliterated?
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I think it's more complicated than that. There's a contradiction: it has to be a group tough enough that they can do that kind of damage in the heart of Winter. At the same time, they have to be weak enough that Mab didn't feel like there was any real danger for her interests (otherwise call in reinforcements). WoJ says that Wild Hunt + Erlking + Namshiel would be iffy about Mab even needing to make an effort to stop them.
Altogether, it makes it seem like Mab made a judgement call and showed restraint towards the attackers for an unknown reason. Harry didn't notice any enemy bodies Mab left behind, but her guards were all killed. In the end, the attack doesn't seem to have met its objective either. Mab still has Lea on ice (if that was even the goal at all).
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 31, 2021, 03:31:09 AM ---I think it's more complicated than that. There's a contradiction: it has to be a group tough enough that they can do that kind of damage in the heart of Winter. At the same time, they have to be weak enough that Mab didn't feel like there was any real danger for her interests (otherwise call in reinforcements). WoJ says that Wild Hunt + Erlking + Namshiel would be iffy about Mab even needing to make an effort to stop them.
Altogether, it makes it seem like Mab made a judgement call and showed restraint towards the attackers for an unknown reason. Harry didn't notice any enemy bodies Mab left behind, but her guards were all killed. In the end, the attack doesn't seem to have met its objective either. Mab still has Lea on ice (if that was even the goal at all).
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Here is a theory. What if Mab needed her full focus to isolate Nemesis in Leah, leaving her vulnerable. Nemesis knowing this directed It's forces to launch the attack in an attempt to force Mab, at a critical moment, to lose her focus.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 31, 2021, 04:15:55 AM ---Here is a theory. What if Mab needed her full focus to isolate Nemesis in Leah, leaving her vulnerable. Nemesis knowing this directed It's forces to launch the attack in an attempt to force Mab, at a critical moment, to lose her focus.
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Possible, but then Mab can cut her losses and kill Lea. She did it with Maeve.
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