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Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Some Denarian (with hints that it was Namshiel) attacked Arctis Tor, but that's not the retaliation we're talking about. The Reds violated Mab's and Titania's territories, and Mab didn't allow any retaliation against them in PG.
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True enough, but consider what her main goal was, it was Harry. Do you doubt that she didn't pull or couldn't pull strings so in the end Harry had no good options other than becoming her Knight in Changes? He went to Marcone for help, was turned down, he went to Vadderung, he was turned down and pointed in Mab's direction, even Uriel got into the act.. Once Harry consented, Lea was sent in to help, going through the Ways was how they were able to travel to C.I. and Harry proceeded to wipe out the Red Court.. I'd call that pretty good pay back, wouldn't you? Like I said, someone immortal or nearly so has a different sense of time that mere mortals, they can afford to wait until the timing and conditions are perfect.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 08, 2021, 08:59:10 PM --- True enough, but consider what her main goal was, it was Harry. Do you doubt that she didn't pull or couldn't pull strings so in the end Harry had no good options other than becoming her Knight in Changes? He went to Marcone for help, was turned down, he went to Vadderung, he was turned down and pointed in Mab's direction, even Uriel got into the act.. Once Harry consented, Lea was sent in to help, going through the Ways was how they were able to travel to C.I. and Harry proceeded to wipe out the Red Court.. I'd call that pretty good pay back, wouldn't you? Like I said, someone immortal or nearly so has a different sense of time that mere mortals, they can afford to wait until the timing and conditions are perfect.
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In the usual sequence of events, both Summer and Winter go after the Reds immediately like Eb and the White Council were expecting. This points to weird circumstances that we don't fully understand.
Mab could retaliate against the Reds in PG and still get Harry as Winter Knight in Changes. She just didn't jump on the chance to do so initially for some reason.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 08, 2021, 08:42:21 PM ---Kringle, Cat Sith, Grimmalken, the Red Cap.... Those are just the characters where we have names. Any of them could lead groups of Winter forces against rampires.
Edit: Took out Sarissa. On further thought, I don't think she could have herself led an attack against Reds.
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No, no, no and no. Captains captain and Generals General. Kringal is an Honorary title.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 08, 2021, 09:53:51 PM ---No, no, no and no. Captains captain and Generals General. Kringal is an Honorary title.
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It wouldn't be a war. It's a lesson that the Reds shouldn't cross into Mab's territory. Captains are exactly what you want.
Kringle is a winter king (which doesn't mean much by itself except an accepted level of power and reputation), and Mab has worked well with him in the past. No idea what you mean by honorary title.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Mab could retaliate against the Reds in PG and still get Harry as Winter Knight in Changes. She just didn't jump on the chance to do so initially for some reason.
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No, I don't think so, if Marcone [ a member of the Accords and a close ally of Mab] had agreed to help Harry save his daughter, the odds against Harry becoming her Winter Knight went higher.. If Vadderung, [another member of the Accords and Mab ally] had also agree the odds would have gone up higher still.. And Uriel? Who knows what his motives were, but my point is Mab is very good at achieving her goals. In Changes she achieved two of them, wiping out the Red Court, getting her revenge with clean hands, no blame would be pointed in her direction, and she got the Winter Knight she wanted in the process. If she were writing this post I am sure she'd take great relish in explaining how she did it, while putting the blame elsewhere.
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