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Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 08, 2021, 11:03:40 PM ---No, I don't think so, if Marcone [ a member of the Accords and a close ally of Mab] had agreed to help Harry save his daughter, the odds against Harry becoming her Winter Knight went higher.. If Vadderung, [another member of the Accords and Mab ally] had also agree the odds would have gone up higher still.. And Uriel? Who knows what his motives were, but my point is Mab is very good at achieving her goals. In Changes she achieved two of them, wiping out the Red Court, getting her revenge with clean hands, no blame would be pointed in her direction, and she got the Winter Knight she wanted in the process. If she were writing this post I am sure she'd take great relish in explaining how she did it, while putting the blame elsewhere.
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Mab retaliating against the Reds in PG wouldn't change anything with the Harry/Marcone, the Harry/Vadderung, or the Harry/Uriel relationships. It doesn't change Harry's trajectory of becoming her knight at all. Angling Harry to become her knight isn't the reason that Mab held back in PG either.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 08, 2021, 10:19:36 PM ---It wouldn't be a war. It's a lesson that the Reds shouldn't cross into Mab's territory. Captains are exactly what you want.
Kringle is a winter king (which doesn't mean much by itself except an accepted level of power and reputation), and Mab has worked well with him in the past. No idea what you mean by honorary title.
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When Lily meets Harry with Fix at Mac's this is discussed. And as I pointed out to you prior to this they don't know that Lea is compromised. Or that Maeve is. Putting anybody else on the field exposes that secret. And runs the risk of drawing an attack from Summer. I mean honorary in the sense that he really isn't of Winter. This is in the text.
--- Quote ---“All right,” I murmured. “Mab’s got a man in the penalty box. She wants to take the offensive before Summer pushes a power play, and she’s looking for ways to even the odds. If Summer goes running off to take on the Reds, it will give her a chance to strike.” I shook my head. “I don’t pretend to know Mab very well, but she isn’t suicidal. If the imbalance is so dangerous, why is she keeping the Winter Knight alive to begin with? And she must see what the consequences of another Winter-Summer war would be.” I looked back and forth between them. “Right?”
“Unfortunately,” Lily said quietly, “our intelligence about the internal politics of Winter is very limited—and Mab is not the sort to reveal her mind to another. I do not know if she realizes the potential danger. Her actions of late have been…” She closed her eyes for a moment and then said, with some obvious effort, “Erratic.”
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Summer isn't all about sunshine and posies. Harry states it bass ackwards. This is precisely what Mab fears. Namshiel is supporting the side, keeping Mab pinned increases the paranoia and has everyone thinking she may be crazy. And lets the Reds rampage. YMMV but this works for me.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 08, 2021, 11:15:54 PM ---Mab retaliating against the Reds in PG wouldn't change anything with the Harry/Marcone, the Harry/Vadderung, or the Harry/Uriel relationships. It doesn't change Harry's trajectory of becoming her knight at all. Angling Harry to become her knight isn't the reason that Mab held back in PG either.
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No, but it is something she kept in her back pocket for later. Also consider, Mab had herself on ice at the time, it wasn't just Lea taking the cure. Mab also had contact with the Knife, my feeling has always been that she feared that she herself may have been infected, which could have led to a total disaster if she acted. While in the healing ice, Mab wouldn't have been able to act.. Considering Harry's conversation with the infected Lea, if Mab was indeed infected and not restrained it would have been disaster.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2021, 03:32:57 AM ---No, but it is something she kept in her back pocket for later. Also consider, Mab had herself on ice at the time, it wasn't just Lea taking the cure. Mab also had contact with the Knife, my feeling has always been that she feared that she herself may have been infected, which could have led to a total disaster if she acted. While in the healing ice, Mab wouldn't have been able to act.. Considering Harry's conversation with the infected Lea, if Mab was indeed infected and not restrained it would have been disaster.
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Mab wasn't healing herself. Lea was in the Winter Wellspring. Mab was watching Harry fight the Eldest Fetch as a spectator, hence the wink at the end. The other frozen figures were Mab's prisoners, like Slate.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 09, 2021, 04:10:52 AM ---Mab wasn't healing herself. Lea was in the Winter Wellspring. Mab was watching Harry fight the Eldest Fetch as a spectator, hence the wink at the end. The other frozen figures were Mab's prisoners, like Slate.
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If I remember correctly Harry didn't toss anything down Lea's throat, he talked to her. Who knows what that wink meant, because if you will remember Lea talked sanely for part of the time as well.
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