The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2021, 02:26:15 PM ---While any of the Denarians may be able to use Magic only one, other than Thorned Namshiel does, and she was taught by Namshiel.
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Two, actually. Rosanna favours Hellfire, and Tessa seems to have a broader range of abilities.
Lasciel with a future host traveling back in time to attack Arctis Tor is theoretically possible to keep in mind, too, but has essentially nothing to support it.
Second Aristh:
Most if not all the Denarians use hellfire, don't they? It's a standard tool for them. (I want to say that Magog's fists once glowed with it, but can't find it at the moment. Similar with Deirdre's hair tentacles.)
The implication in SmF was that the hellfire pentagram was powered by hellfire from Lucy directly. Namshiel's ritual was to point out where to put it and to contain it.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2021, 02:26:15 PM ---While any of the Denarians may be able to use Magic only one, other than Thorned Namshiel does, and she was taught by Namshiel.
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Cassius does also. In fact many mook Denarians use magic.
--- Quote from: SmF Ch.33 ---Seven of them were going after Ivy with magic, and she was countering them. All of them.
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morriswalters:
All the Denarian's are magical by definition. Each has the magic contained in their alternate form. But only two use conventional magic, Lartessa and Namshiel.
--- Quote ---Seven of them were going after Ivy with magic, and she was countering them. All of them.
Magog1 had charged her as he had me, but she hadn’t slammed him to a stop with a brick wall. She’d trapped him inside some kind of frictionless bubble, and he was spinning uselessly in circles half an inch off the floor,
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--- Quote ---Deirdre’s2 tangle of living locks danced with purple Saint Elmo’s fire
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--- Quote ---Rosanna3 launched more traditional lances of flame from her open palms
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--- Quote ---though the two more physical Denarians4&5 who strained to force their way past the barrier of snapping sparks that formed whenever they tried to get close had far less luck. The Hellmaid’s flames scorched them badly.
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--- Quote ---The sixth, a wizened little thing that looked like a caricature of a woman carved from a dried tree root, seemed to be holding the end of a rope of liquid shadow that curled like a hungry serpent, darting now and then toward Ivy’s head.(possibly Cassius's coin)
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--- Quote ---But mostly she faced an amused-looking Tessa, who, apparently just for the fun of it, threw another thunderbolt at her now and again. That told me something right there. It told me Tessa was no punk sorceress.
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This by the way is how Marcone becoming a White Council level Wizard is justified. This is precisely what Namshiel did for Lartessa.
I assume all their magic draws on hellfire including Marcone. But none of them could have thrown hellfire at Arctis Tor without help.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I assume all their magic draws on hellfire including Marcone. But none of them could have thrown hellfire at Arctis Tor without help.
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You are ignoring the fact that Namshiel is a fallen angel, even if he isn't an archangel he can wield power beyond the comprehension of most.. So yes, Namshiel could do it without help in my opinion, angels without restraint [the Fallen don't play by the rules, that is why they are fallen] has the power to do it without help.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2021, 07:43:32 PM ---All the Denarian's are magical by definition. Each has the magic contained in their alternate form. But only two use conventional magic, Lartessa and Namshiel.This by the way is how Marcone becoming a White Council level Wizard is justified. This is precisely what Namshiel did for Lartessa.
I assume all their magic draws on hellfire including Marcone. But none of them could have thrown hellfire at Arctis Tor without help.
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I'm a bit confused. More than Namshiel and Tessa are casting spells in the passages you quoted. Are you saying that while all the Denarians are capable of using magic, and some of them actually do use magic, but only Namshiel is good enough at magic to be an Arctis Tor candidate?
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