The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
morriswalters:
You know because Jim told you so. It's in Small Favor. It's called back at the end of Battle Ground when Harry makes Mab aware that Marcone is hag ridden by calling him Sir Baron.
Ed0517:
I think the assumption is based on who could be that good to use that much fire in Winter. TN seems to qualify, where few do. One question, though - when did Harry turn in Lasciel? Could Hannah Ascher, a good fire mage even before taking up a coin, have picked her up and been the fire user? Lasciel is not as good as TN, but Hannah starts way above Marcone.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 26, 2021, 03:15:10 AM ---I think the assumption is based on who could be that good to use that much fire in Winter. TN seems to qualify, where few do. One question, though - when did Harry turn in Lasciel? Could Hannah Ascher, a good fire mage even before taking up a coin, have picked her up and been the fire user? Lasciel is not as good as TN, but Hannah starts way above Marcone.
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He turned Lasciel in after White Night, the book after Proven Guilty, she then took it up some time (implied to be a few weeks or so) after Changes.
Mira:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on August 26, 2021, 08:28:30 AM ---He turned Lasciel in after White Night, the book after Proven Guilty, she then took it up some time (implied to be a few weeks or so) after Changes.
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After Changes or at the end of Proven Guilty? Just before he turned the coin over to Father Forthill at the end of Proven Guilty he thought he heard Lash, that scared him so he got rid of the coin. In Changes it is implied that it was Lasciel that goaded him into suicide, the coin still could have been locked away in Forthill's office. I don't think she affected Harry after that, implied or otherwise.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 26, 2021, 03:15:10 AM ---I think the assumption is based on who could be that good to use that much fire in Winter. TN seems to qualify, where few do. One question, though - when did Harry turn in Lasciel? Could Hannah Ascher, a good fire mage even before taking up a coin, have picked her up and been the fire user? Lasciel is not as good as TN, but Hannah starts way above Marcone.
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Thorned Namshiel used Hellfire to power the device used to trap Ivy at the Shedd Aquarium and to capture Marcone at the panic room. Evidently Lucifer gifted it to him, which let Uriel balance the scales by giving Harry Soul Fire to smite him. It's established that the ring is Hellfire early in Small Favor when Harry examines the site with Murphy.
--- Quote ---“You gotta think that maybe there’s a matter of balance, here,” he said. “Maybe one archangel invested his strength in this situation overtly and immediately. Maybe another one was just quieter about it. Thinking long-term. Maybe he already gave you a hand.”
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While any of the Denarians may be able to use Magic only one, other than Thorned Namshiel does, and she was taught by Namshiel.
--- Quote ---The Knights carried away Namshiel’s coin, so Tessa has lost her sorcery teacher.
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