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Who summoned the Cornerhounds?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 21, 2021, 05:49:52 AM ---But not by Nemesis, otherwise that would be the go-to strategy instead of the current one.
The doorman doesn't even get a name in the text. I don't think he's an important character.
Butters is the one that gives us the clue to what's going on with the cornerhounds. He calls them the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Tindalos. The important line of the wiki page: "A person risks attracting their attention by traveling through time." It's the time travel book intersecting with PT in the background. Whoever summoned them or whatever attracted their attention is in that book, not PT.
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But the doorman is mentioned, he doesn't have to be an important character or even named, if he was the one that called up the Cornerhounds. He played his role end of story.
I guess I am not making myself clear when I mention Lord Raith and Maeve, the point is, they were corrupted by Nemesis, and in turn they corrupted a mortal or mortals to call up Outsiders as needed. It could be if she couldn't herself, Justine corrupted the doorman to calling them up.
--- Quote ---That's a really good point that goes against Justine summoning. I mean what would stop Nemesis from just bringing them in by the truck load?
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One factor is they don't have all their ducks in a row yet.. They tried a frontal assault on Demonreach at the end of Cold Days and they failed. So now the aim is by stealth and blackmail, that is done on the Q.T. As in get Justine pregnant so she can assert pressure on Thomas to attempt to blow up the Accords by assassination, leading to hopefully discrediting their main future enemy, the star born Harry. Also the hope might have been that Thomas would have been killed in the attempt. Not sure how it worked, but Lord Raith was hoping for the death of Thomas because it would somehow lift Margaret's curse. So he might have been hoping for a two-for, Thomas killed, curse lifted, Lara discredited, he is in power again...
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 21, 2021, 05:49:52 AM ---Butters is the one that gives us the clue to what's going on with the cornerhounds. He calls them the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Tindalos. The important line of the wiki page: "A person risks attracting their attention by traveling through time." It's the time travel book intersecting with PT in the background. Whoever summoned them or whatever attracted their attention is in that book, not PT.
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I understand the significance of the Hounds. The point is who is traveling and why. You suggested Eb. But it's the same as Nemfections. If everybody is nemfected then sooner or later the story falls apart in contradictions. My thinking is if time travel is involved then the traveler will always be Harry in some form or the other. But which form?
In this case having Justine summoning or causing to be summoned, the Hounds, then why? Jim has had multiple Outsiders on the page at least once in Cold Days, right? But why the Hounds specifically? The same for Eb.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 21, 2021, 04:56:05 PM ---I understand the significance of the Hounds. The point is who is traveling and why. You suggested Eb. But it's the same as Nemfections. If everybody is nemfected then sooner or later the story falls apart in contradictions. My thinking is if time travel is involved then the traveler will always be Harry in some form or the other. But which form?
In this case having Justine summoning or causing to be summoned, the Hounds, then why? Jim has had multiple Outsiders on the page at least once in Cold Days, right? But why the Hounds specifically? The same for Eb.
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Possible to throw Harry off the scent, if I remember correctly he didn't know much about them. He might have been in trouble had Eb not been there with information as well as raw power. So Justine/Nemesis may have just wanted to get rid of Harry.
Time travel I think is a stretch, the Cornerhounds come from another dimension but that doesn't make it time travel. Now in the short story about Molly and Kringle, bending time is mentioned, enables Kringle and maybe Molly as well to deliver all that good stuff around the world in a short time period.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 21, 2021, 04:56:05 PM ---I understand the significance of the Hounds. The point is who is traveling and why. You suggested Eb. But it's the same as Nemfections. If everybody is nemfected then sooner or later the story falls apart in contradictions. My thinking is if time travel is involved then the traveler will always be Harry in some form or the other. But which form?
In this case having Justine summoning or causing to be summoned, the Hounds, then why? Jim has had multiple Outsiders on the page at least once in Cold Days, right? But why the Hounds specifically? The same for Eb.
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I suggested future!Harry was being chased in the time travel book, not Eb. He used his past self to give himself breathing room in that book. We just won't find out about the details for a few books.
In PT the cornerhounds served as a way to delay Eb and Harry having their final confrontation, as a way to tease out starborn information, and as a mid-book action scene to ramp up tension. For the plot though, the cornerhound attack doesn't really fit any character's motivations well.
Mira:
--- Quote ---In PT the cornerhounds served as a way to delay Eb and Harry having their final confrontation, as a way to tease out starborn information, and as a mid-book action scene to ramp up tension. For the plot though, the cornerhound attack doesn't really fit any character's motivations well.
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But it does, Justine has every reason to either distract or be rid of Harry. Actually it is the reader who is distracted because of the peace talks and the Battle of Chicago, both are the real distractions, while Nemesis makes it's moves. You said there must be limits to what a mortal can call up at any time otherwise it makes no sense or it is bad story telling. However I think you are mistaken, if the Enemy is smart, it isn't going to reveal itself willy nilly..
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