The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Who summoned the Cornerhounds?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 21, 2021, 12:39:47 AM ---No, I don't think Nemesis can hijack free will of a mortal. However a mortal can be manipulated into calling up an Outsider by someone with an agenda like Lord Raith or Maeve.
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Okay, but they weren't around Justine in PT? I'm lost.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Okay, but they weren't around Justine in PT? I'm lost.
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Maeve and Lord Raith are examples of those who could manipulate a vanilla mortal to call up an Outsider. Justine was infected/possessed, but she still is a mortal, so she could be manipulated to do it by HWWB. Or heck I guess she may have even been able to manipulate the doorman if he had any talent at all to call the Cornerhounds up/
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 20, 2021, 09:55:16 PM ---The goal of the Outsiders is to end reality, and the Outer Gates defend reality. Only mortals can summon Outsiders (so they get a free pass to skip the Gates). In the situation where Nemesis can use a mortal host to summon outsiders, why not use that and go around reality's defenses to further the goal of destroying reality?
I mean, it would make sense from the narrow perspective of PT for Justine to have summoned cornerhounds (sweeping any questions of magical ability for that under the rug for now), but in the wider world of Dresden, it doesn't fit what we're told about the nature of the Outer Gates.
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That's a really good point that goes against Justine summoning. I mean what would stop Nemesis from just bringing them in by the truck load?
Hmmmmmm plot thickens!
morriswalters:
If it wasn't Justine then why then and why there? The Former attack was meant to do what it did. There was no reason that I can think of that would have brought them. Early.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 21, 2021, 03:24:24 AM ---Maeve and Lord Raith are examples of those who could manipulate a vanilla mortal to call up an Outsider. Justine was infected/possessed, but she still is a mortal, so she could be manipulated to do it by HWWB. Or heck I guess she may have even been able to manipulate the doorman if he had any talent at all to call the Cornerhounds up/
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But not by Nemesis, otherwise that would be the go-to strategy instead of the current one.
The doorman doesn't even get a name in the text. I don't think he's an important character.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 21, 2021, 04:30:25 AM ---If it wasn't Justine then why then and why there? The Former attack was meant to do what it did. There was no reason that I can think of that would have brought them. Early.
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Butters is the one that gives us the clue to what's going on with the cornerhounds. He calls them the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Tindalos. The important line of the wiki page: "A person risks attracting their attention by traveling through time." It's the time travel book intersecting with PT in the background. Whoever summoned them or whatever attracted their attention is in that book, not PT.
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