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Who summoned the Cornerhounds?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 19, 2021, 11:38:02 PM ---I think the cornerhounds are a clue that future!Harry is doing something in the background of PT. Future!Harry can catch a breather in the time travel book by confusing the cornerhounds into going after his younger self. Since it already happened, it's a relatively safe option. Basically the time travel equivalent of the classic heat seeking missile ploy.
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Given the what they are and what they do I would back this with odds. Possible bonus points if this foreshadows Mirror Mirror Harry doing what we've been told he does. Which might mean that he led the Corner Hounds to this location in an attempt to feed Harry Prime to them as a substitute for himself.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2021, 08:18:55 PM ---
Why does there have to be? Nemesis infects with a strategy in mind, who it sends knows this. HWWB is a good soldier, I doubt he'd go rouge and allow his mortal host to summon up Cornerhounds "just because.." Also note that their mission appeared to be specific, get Harry and along with him Eb if they could.. When they failed they went back to where ever. Justine called them up for a purpose, to distract and stop Harry.. Harry even says it would take a mortal in the area to call them up if I remember correctly. If I did remember that correctly, that was a neon sign, screaming, "CLUE!" It's Justine. Unless it was the doorman, that is still possible.
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The goal of the Outsiders is to end reality, and the Outer Gates defend reality. Only mortals can summon Outsiders (so they get a free pass to skip the Gates). In the situation where Nemesis can use a mortal host to summon outsiders, why not use that and go around reality's defenses to further the goal of destroying reality?
I mean, it would make sense from the narrow perspective of PT for Justine to have summoned cornerhounds (sweeping any questions of magical ability for that under the rug for now), but in the wider world of Dresden, it doesn't fit what we're told about the nature of the Outer Gates.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 20, 2021, 09:55:16 PM ---The goal of the Outsiders is to end reality, and the Outer Gates defend reality. Only mortals can summon Outsiders (so they get a free pass to skip the Gates). In the situation where Nemesis can use a mortal host to summon outsiders, why not use that and go around reality's defenses to further the goal of destroying reality?
I mean, it would make sense from the narrow perspective of PT for Justine to have summoned cornerhounds (sweeping any questions of magical ability for that under the rug for now), but in the wider world of Dresden, it doesn't fit what we're told about the nature of the Outer Gates.
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Consider this may be one of the main reasons why no one even Mab speaks it's name very much, they don't want to give anyone any ideas.. And the question was who summoned the Cornerhounds in the story, Justine makes the most sense, though as I said there was also a doorman mentioned as the other mortal in the area. We are also told that Nemesis can only be in thirteen bodies at once, there might also be a limit as to how many Outsiders can be called up at once as well. At the end of Cold Days, when they attacked the island, if an army of Outsiders could have been called up, that would have been the time to do it.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2021, 10:13:52 PM ---Consider this may be one of the main reasons why no one even Mab speaks it's name very much, they don't want to give anyone any ideas.. And the question was who summoned the Cornerhounds in the story, Justine makes the most sense, though as I said there was also a doorman mentioned as the other mortal in the area. We are also told that Nemesis can only be in thirteen bodies at once, there might also be a limit as to how many Outsiders can be called up at once as well. At the end of Cold Days, when they attacked the island, if an army of Outsiders could have been called up, that would have been the time to do it.
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Justine makes the most sense if you ignore the other books in the series. It just doesn't fit with wider context of the capabilities of Nemesis how we understand them. That points to more we aren't aware of happening in the background of the story.
The 13 bodies for Nemesis is just my speculation, but we know that Nemesis does have limits to its capabilities.
Looking back at CD, they did kinda call up an army of outsiders. It took the Wild Hunt to stop them from getting to the island proper even without Maeve stepping in directly. I just don't think Nemesis can hijack the free will of a mortal in order to call outsiders in itself. It needs to be more subtle and trick mortals into doing it instead of strong-arming them.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Looking back at CD, they did kinda call up an army of outsiders. It took the Wild Hunt to stop them from getting to the island proper even without Maeve stepping in directly. I just don't think Nemesis can hijack the free will of a mortal in order to call outsiders in itself. It needs to be more subtle and trick mortals into doing it instead of strong-arming them.
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No, I don't think Nemesis can hijack free will of a mortal. However a mortal can be manipulated into calling up an Outsider by someone with an agenda like Lord Raith or Maeve.
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