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Did Carlos betray Dresden? Other things in the book
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 01, 2021, 12:55:55 PM ---I don't think most of the council are aware of either the existence of Nemesis or Winter's role in defending the Gates. Rashid seemed to indicate that isn't shared with even all the other senior councilors unless they need to know, let alone general membership. Most of them just see the "Mab is not a good person" aspect.
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Yup, plus if she was telling the truth about the White Council wanting the "Eye" for themselves, one can see them thinking, since they don't know the truth, that Harry was being more loyal to Winter than the Council, and seek to punish him by removing him. Again, acting out of perception of truth and not the truth, because at this point they could very well believe that since he is Winter Knight, Harry had already turned the Eye over to Mab, which he hasn't.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 01, 2021, 01:23:44 PM ---Yup, plus if she was telling the truth about the White Council wanting the "Eye" for themselves, one can see them thinking, since they don't know the truth, that Harry was being more loyal to Winter than the Council, and seek to punish him by removing him. Again, acting out of perception of truth and not the truth, because at this point they could very well believe that since he is Winter Knight, Harry had already turned the Eye over to Mab, which he hasn't.
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And Mab did not at any moment suggest he should give the eye to her.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 01, 2021, 04:40:29 PM ---And Mab did not at any moment suggest he should give the eye to her.
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No, she didn't, but the White Council doesn't know that and are making assumptions. Now the next question should be is how does Mab know the Council wants the Eye?
Page 220 Battle Ground
--- Quote ---"Fuck the Eye," I said.
She actually lifted her hand to cover her mouth. But I saw her eyes. . .
smile. It was damn eerie. All upon the field want that weapon.
Your own White Council included. It is the primary reason why they fight."
I blinked.
I looked out at the ruddy haze outside and spat a curse.
Of course. That's why everyone is fighting beside Mab. Not to honor the treaty, at least not for
all of them. But to secure a weapon that would give them an enormous advantage over any of the other Accorded nations. One that could be a threat even to immortals like Mab. I could imagine what the Senior Council would be saying about it if I accused them, too. Too dangerous, could cause havoc, can't let those monsters have it, we'll be able to lock it away and keep it safe, harrumph, harrumph.
"Should we be victorious, that will be the real fight, you know," Mab said. Her gaze, always penetrating, made me squirm. "Who shall possess the Eye?"
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There you have it, including Harry foreseeing being called a "monster" by Carlos. They kicked him out to pressure him to give them the Eye.. And to your point Arjan, while she didn't ask him to give her the Eye if he is successful, was she hinting that he should give it to her? It also might account for none of the Council members being at the post battle Accords meeting. No one knew that Harry has been kicked out, so their assumption might be that he would give it to the Council..
Meanwhile Harry very cleverly played political games with the Eye.. This gives him power and makes him dangerous.. Interesting that I think it was Mab suggested that he use Ethinu himself
since now as his prisoner, he could. If things get real bad will we see that in the future? I mean it
is weird that this would be suggested to Harry, unless it is going to happen in the future. At this point, Harry says he could because she is his prisoner, but it wouldn't be very wise.
Snark Knight:
Maybe she was right about the Council only fighting for the chance to take the Eye as a prize, maybe not. She's severely misjudged Harry's own motivations before, particularly in the case of mentoring Molly. Could be she's falling into the same trap of reading everyone else as plotting for their own self-interest.
Personally, I think the Council would have been at least as concerned about the blowback from kicking the mortals' beehive extending to them as trying to come up holding the eye in the aftermath. They've got bad institutional (and in a few cases, possibly personal) memories of one Inquisition and the general witch hunting era.
I figure they were operating on a complicated mixed agenda of protecting the innocent, dropping enough bodies with gills to point the retaliation back into the water, and keeping the eye out of any of the worst-case hands, with their own as the preferred option.
Mira:
Oh the Council would be very smug about it, as Harry said:
--- Quote ---But to secure a weapon that would give them an enormous advantage over any of the other Accorded nations. One that could be a threat even to immortals like Mab. I could imagine what the Senior Council would be saying about it if I accused them, too. Too dangerous, could cause havoc, can't let those monsters have it, we'll be able to lock it away and keep it safe, harrumph, harrumph.
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Since the war with the Reds the Council's influence has waned somewhat, the Eye would indeed make them power brokers among the Accord Nations.. So they were after power as much as anyone else, and as Harry said, if he accused them of this they'd fall back on some moral high ground. It is out in the open now, they consider the other members of the Accords as monsters..
Carlos said it when he talked to Harry after he was kicked out;
--- Quote ---"We don't fight monsters fair," he said. "I learned that from you."
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