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Did Carlos betray Dresden? Other things in the book
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 01, 2021, 04:40:29 PM ---And Mab did not at any moment suggest he should give the eye to her.
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She can't. As a Sidhe she'd need to offer something of similar value. I don't know if she has anything like that, or if she did she'd want to trade. Harry on the other hand could offer it for something in return.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 02, 2021, 12:07:27 AM ---they consider the other members of the Accords as monsters..
Carlos said it when he talked to Harry after he was kicked out;
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Harry already knew that. It's much more than that. Carlos was stating that Harry is viewed as a monster, and when he said "we", it meant he was supported that view.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 02, 2021, 12:07:27 AM ---Since the war with the Reds the Council's influence has waned somewhat, the Eye would indeed make them power brokers among the Accord Nations..
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I don't think of it that way. I believe they would use the Eye on someone or something. Drakul maybe. I guess they could use it as leverage against anyone who'd threaten the Council, but I think they may have a very specific target.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry already knew that. It's much more than that. Carlos was stating that Harry is viewed as a monster, and when he said "we", it meant he was supported that view.
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Yup, Carlos drank the Kool Aid alright, and to some degree Harry wonders about himself. This makes me wonder what in the heck Mab is thinking trying to force a marriage between Harry and Lara. We know how Eb feels about vamps, he might very well try to kill Harry if such a marriage takes place, further isolating the White Council from the Accords, or is that part of the plan? There certainly is foreshadowing enough in that meeting at the end of Battle Ground.
--- Quote ---I don't think of it that way. I believe they would use the Eye on someone or something. Drakul maybe. I guess they could use it as leverage against anyone who'd threaten the Council, but I think they may have a very specific target.
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Yes, but it is misguided thinking, if Harry is right about what powers the Eye, hate and anger, it's not something that can be used safely.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 02, 2021, 06:23:42 AM ---She can't. As a Sidhe she'd need to offer something of similar value. I don't know if she has anything like that, or if she did she'd want to trade. Harry on the other hand could offer it for something in return.
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Obvious but it is clear big parts of the white council do not understand this.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 02, 2021, 12:19:07 PM ---Obvious but it is clear big parts of the white council do not understand this.
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No, because the majority of them believe he is her monster/knight and that he'd just hand the Eye
over to her without any payment at all. They don't understand that Harry is building a little arsenal of his own on the island that he is keeping away from everyone. Interesting don't you think that until he was ready to use it, he never said a word to anyone about the Spear.
--- Quote ---I don't think most of the council are aware of either the existence of Nemesis or Winter's role in defending the Gates. Rashid seemed to indicate that isn't shared with even all the other senior councilors unless they need to know, let alone general membership. Most of them just see the "Mab is not a good person" aspect.
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Yeah, well, Carlos keeps saying that Harry should have talked to him... I keep paraphrasing "A Few Good Men," "Truth, Carlos nor the Council can handle the truth.." Which might lead to the ultimate confrontation between Harry and the Council, when he actually tells them the truth.. You might want to extend that to vampires as well, that not all the Courts are alike. I wouldn't be shocked if most of the Council has the same attitude and prejudices against them as Eb does.
One more thing while we are at it.. Carlos tries to lay a huge guilt trip on Harry, paraphrasing "You should have talked to me, you didn't, and 60,0000 people died.." Really? Even if Harry had talked to Carlos, how would that have stopped the invasion of the Fomor and Ethniu?
Basil:
I have to admit the Eye theory has some legs.
Marcone may have not wanted the Eye for very good reason. As an arch-criminal, Marcone knows a thing or two about not holding onto "hot" goods. Much better for him to know who has it, acquire leverage over that person and retrieve it later. Marcone may also legitimately question whether he (or Harry) could actually make use of it. This is not the kind of weapon you could trust with an underling, right?
Regardless of the pretexts that Merlin used, it may well have been the case that he engineered Harry's expulsion to create a scenario where Harry could rejoin the Council and re-obtain his status in exchange for surrendering the Eye to the Council. Of course, because Harry publicly cast doubt on his possession of the Eye, and no one on the Council attended the meeting where it was discussed (and the transparent ploy was made) it is unlikely that they will know the truth any time soon. Accordingly, Harry will not be offered the deal to rejoin the Council. No wonder Mab was so pleased with Harry's gambit.
Harry, Odin, Mab, Marcone, Lara and the Svartelves are likely 100% certain Harry has the Eye. However, I'm not sure that the other supers do. They may believe that the Fomor retrieved it; they may believe it was locked away with Ethniue.
As an aside, Harry may well be in the top three most powerful mortals on the planet now. Perhaps even the most powerful. He has several superweapons including the Shroud, the Eye, the Spear of Destiny; a virtually unassailable fortress, a potential legion of incredibly powerful (evil) servants, is the Winter Knight, can trade blows with the Senior Council and last but not least an incredibly detailed map of the Never-Never that he can use to go almost anywhere he wants.
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