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What if Nicodemus is really with Nemesis (also the WC)?
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 04, 2021, 06:11:43 PM ---Logic and reason have not place here :)... Ok so maybe Cowl is dark side. Still I could see Nicodemus being Nemfected and not knowing it.
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Or he does know it and is under the same illusion that he has a working partnership with Nemesis as he does or thinks he does with Anduriel.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 03, 2021, 01:19:47 PM ---If you ask Uriel what is at stake and why he does what he does he says souls, free will. It is not that different with the fallen, it is about souls and free will. Nicodemus might have grand schemes in his mind but in the end it is just a lure. Anduriel got what he wanted, Nicodemus killed his own daughter and together with his wife they attacked the one who wanted to save them. The fallen are never finished with corrupting you.
It is their nature. It is what they do. Every time the denarian pop up that is what is really going on and the rest is background.
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This is reductive- needlessly so- to a traditional Judeo-Christian idea.
I strongly object to the idea that all Fallen are merrily fulfilling their duty of providing temptation. These are the rebels- I rather suspect they have their own agendas instead of a classic mustache-twirling focus on temptation. That's what Lucifer's obedient servants do- the Fallen are not those.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 04, 2021, 06:11:09 PM ---If Nicodemus see's himself as some sort of hero, Nemesis could exploit that. Manipulate him into thinking he's saving the world when it's the opposite.
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Nicodemus is aware of Nemesis, or at least its effects. He asked Harry at the very beginning of their encounters if he had noticed things defying their own nature.
Personally, I always suspected the favor Nic performed for Mab had to do with eliminating someone Nemfected. Anduriel's shadow-listening would make it easier to identify someone who violates their own nature.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on July 07, 2021, 02:01:16 PM ---This is reductive- needlessly so- to a traditional Judeo-Christian idea.
I strongly object to the idea that all Fallen are merrily fulfilling their duty of providing temptation. These are the rebels- I rather suspect they have their own agendas instead of a classic mustache-twirling focus on temptation. That's what Lucifer's obedient servants do- the Fallen are not those.
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It fits with what Lash told about herself when she still thought about herself as Lasciel. About all the countless souls she had seduced and destroyed.
It fits with everything else we hear about the fallen except for the lies their hosts tell themselves.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 04, 2021, 06:11:09 PM ---If Nicodemus see's himself as some sort of hero, Nemesis could exploit that. Manipulate him into thinking he's saving the world when it's the opposite.
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Yup, that is what Nemesis does best, it was that tactic that nearly got Lea and did get Maeve.
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