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What if Nicodemus is really with Nemesis (also the WC)?

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groinkick:
With the attack on Arctis Tor the assumption was that Thorned is working for Nemesis, and that Nicodemus is not...  What if it's the opposite?  What if Thorned and his allies actually attacked Arctis Tor because Leah was a danger to all of reality.  I think of this because Jim said that "Mab thought she was doing the right thing"...  he did appear to put an emphasis on "thought"...  So what if Mab was screwing up, and those that attacked were trying to actually stop Nemesis?

Perhaps this is where things get turned on their heads.  Nicodemus is the Enemy of reality while Thorned and who he's with is not.  Maybe when Cowl was speaking of the White Council being rotten to the core, this is what he spoke of?  Freaking A this could mean that Harry has been wrong the entire time..  The Black Council are the good guys, the White Council is corrupted, and we have all been duped. Cowl couldn't outright tell Harry because nothing, not even Angels know if someone is Nemfected. 

legendarycreamer:
Then why would cowl give leah the infested athame?

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: groinkick on June 26, 2021, 08:00:13 PM ---With the attack on Arctis Tor the assumption was that Thorned is working for Nemesis, and that Nicodemus is not...  What if it's the opposite?  What if Thorned and his allies actually attacked Arctis Tor because Leah was a danger to all of reality.  I think of this because Jim said that "Mab thought she was doing the right thing"...  he did appear to put an emphasis on "thought"...  So what if Mab was screwing up, and those that attacked were trying to actually stop Nemesis?

Perhaps this is where things get turned on their heads.  Nicodemus is the Enemy of reality while Thorned and who he's with is not.  Maybe when Cowl was speaking of the White Council being rotten to the core, this is what he spoke of?  Freaking A this could mean that Harry has been wrong the entire time..  The Black Council are the good guys, the White Council is corrupted, and we have all been duped. Cowl couldn't outright tell Harry because nothing, not even Angels know if someone is Nemfected.

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From a story perspective, I don't think this would be as interesting as what is going on.

At the beginning of the series when they first encounter each other, the cards are all in Nic's hands. As time has passed, Nic has been falling as Harry is in ascent, and they are becoming foils/dark mirrors (Harry gains feal servants as Nic loses his, Harry is the positive, protective father while Nic is . .gross, Nic is the bogeyman everyone fears as unkillable- who has almost been killed by Harry, etc.). The conflict between the two of them has become a personal one. From a classic story construction standpoint; the expected end of such an arc is some combination of "Harry and Nic must team up and put aside their personal rivalry" and "Nic was the one fighting Nemesis the entire time."

I have been meaning to look at the dates, but given that magic is generated by living things/life, I've wondered if the Black Death/Nic's attempted Plague was to reduce "ambient" magic and therefore make it harder to summon Outsiders, etc. Things like that- a scorched earth policy but with an eye to protecting reality. Anduriel's ability to listen to shadows is superior to Ivy's ability when it would come to tracking Nemesis, one would think.

Basil:
According to Nicodemus, he is trying to save the world. 

Doesn't seem like an Outsider sentiment, regardless of what one thinks Nicodemus means by saving.  The Outsiders want to undo Creation.  Nicodemus probably seeks to preserve Creation -- under new management, of course. 

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Basil on July 01, 2021, 03:25:17 AM ---According to Nicodemus, he is trying to save the world. 

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Lying comes natural for him.

--- Quote ---Doesn't seem like an Outsider sentiment, regardless of what one thinks Nicodemus means by saving.  The Outsiders want to undo Creation.  Nicodemus probably seeks to preserve Creation -- under new management, of course.

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What he wants is not that important. It’s about Anduriel.

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