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What if Nicodemus is really with Nemesis (also the WC)?

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Basil:
Yes, he's a lying liar, but I don't think he's lying about this.  Think about it this way, Lucifer wants to overthrow God and take his place -- he doesn't want to undo Creation. 

Arjan:
If you ask Uriel what is at stake and why he does what he does he says souls, free will. It is not that different with the fallen, it is about souls and free will. Nicodemus might have grand schemes in his mind but in the end it is just a lure. Anduriel got what he wanted, Nicodemus killed his own daughter and together with his wife they attacked the one who wanted to save them. The fallen are never finished with corrupting you.

It is their nature. It is what they do. Every time the denarian pop up that is what is really going on and the rest is background.

The_Sibelis:
Still more of a fan of the future/alt Harry, in this case welding a coin. I'm pretty sure I can peg down a few instances where you can point a finger at Alt Harry's. Have a few ideas on that, including the premise the "circle" which only Cowl has mentioned is actually the 5 versions of Dresden traveling through time. I'll try not to here though lol, but
--- Quote --- Nic has been falling as Harry is in ascent, and they are becoming foils/dark mirrors (Harry gains feal servants as Nic loses his
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THIS, This is a thing. I connect it to the spire/endlessly repeating inverted time. To point out a few things, the first time we meet Nic he's dressed in a perfect inversion of Harry. Hat, goatee, light overcoat, nice clothes underneath. Even his actions are directly inverted from Harry's. Harry sacrifices the mother of his child to save her. Nic sacrifices his child in spit of the Mother for selfish reasons, ect.
One along this vein that supports the Harry/Cowl connection is the Raith Deeps. Nic manifests anduriel as a shadow. The mirror to this, would be Harry manifesting Lash as something Flaming... Which is exactly what cowl does when he gets P.Oed at Harry.
Thinking all TT shenanigans are closing the loop on the Harry we have now. Everything they've done, has actually helped the timeline, and we're late enough in the game we can actually see where. Offhand, no atheme means no Mab with a thumb on Harry, SK changes from there, no WK options later, CDs goes much worse, ect.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Basil on July 01, 2021, 03:25:17 AM ---According to Nicodemus, he is trying to save the world. 

Doesn't seem like an Outsider sentiment, regardless of what one thinks Nicodemus means by saving.  The Outsiders want to undo Creation.  Nicodemus probably seeks to preserve Creation -- under new management, of course.

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If Nicodemus see's himself as some sort of hero, Nemesis could exploit that.  Manipulate him into thinking he's saving the world when it's the opposite.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: legendarycreamer on June 28, 2021, 07:28:47 PM ---Then why would cowl give leah the infested athame?

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Logic and reason have not place here :)...  Ok so maybe Cowl is dark side.  Still I could see Nicodemus being Nemfected and not knowing it.

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