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How Murphy could return to the Dresden Files
Mira:
--- Quote ---That is your interpretation. Jim and everyone in the books disagrees.
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Nope, when I have time I will give you the quotes... Including the one where Mab describes the death
time line for lack of a better word, Harry never got far enough not to be called back. Where when Harry was a guest inside of Bob's skull, Bob tells him that something is not quite right, Mort the same thing.. So if it is in the book, then it must be what Jim thinks as well.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 11, 2021, 05:20:09 PM --- Our Murphy isn't coming back, she is D-E-A-D. What will come back may look like her, but it won't be her. That is why I say be careful for what you wish for, you may get it.
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Uriel (probably): Lies :)
Mab: Death is a spectrum, not a line
Murphy's body wasn't buried in the ground, and it wasn't burned to ash. Just as Mab took Harry's body, Odin took Murphy's. Which Murphy was real? The Murphy Dresden saw with his Sight that was a blazing warrior, or the one he saw later that was a beat up warrior? In reality, both were real. I suspect that when Murphy returns, she will be as Dresden saw her before. A blazing warrior not stained with the failures, and pain that Murphy had near the end. She will be her truest self.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 12, 2021, 05:45:16 PM ---Nope, when I have time I will give you the quotes... Including the one where Mab describes the death
time line for lack of a better word, Harry never got far enough not to be called back. Where when Harry was a guest inside of Bob's skull, Bob tells him that something is not quite right, Mort the same thing.. So if it is in the book, then it must be what Jim thinks as well.
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Bob and Mort are elected a ghost of Harry and not Harry himself so of course something was not quite right. Bob figured it out as Morty did later.
But it is as Harry and he was dead. Not a ghost of Harry. Bob said it explicitly. He was dead but not gone.
The dead have to travel to the hereafter and that travel can be dangerous. That is why there was an escort arranged for father Forthill.
As long as you have your soul you are you dead or alive.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 12, 2021, 06:51:57 PM ---Bob and Mort are elected a ghost of Harry and not Harry himself so of course something was not quite right. Bob figured it out as Morty did later.
But it is as Harry and he was dead. Not a ghost of Harry. Bob said it explicitly. He was dead but not gone.
The dead have to travel to the hereafter and that travel can be dangerous. That is why there was an escort arranged for father Forthill.
As long as you have your soul you are you dead or alive.
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He was on life support, deep coma, not brain dead... Dead, but not gone, says he is slightly alive, he was brought back, he is as he was... Murphy is dead and gone, she may come back in some form, but it won't be as she was.. Also there is this, the idea that the Einherjar just seem like normal regular warriors, so Murphy will come back just like she was. We've never met a human before he became an Einherjar to compare before and after. No one has sat down with an Einherjar and asked him what his life was before.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 12, 2021, 08:42:39 PM ---He was on life support, deep coma, not brain dead... Dead, but not gone, says he is slightly alive, he was brought back, he is as he was...
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Corpstaker's body was lost, it does not make a difference if you are prepared to take another one. Harry could have taken another body and Mab would have been left with an empty vessel maybe for Bonea to use.
The body is not that important for this line of reasoning. Nice that Mab kept a body ready because Harry would not have taken another one, Too evil.
The soul has a body.
--- Quote ---Murphy is dead and gone,
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Murphy has gone to Walhalla, just like Socrates went to Hades. Different rules apply. But it is Murphy.
--- Quote ---she may come back in some form, but it won't be as she was..
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Either she comes back or she does not but if her soul is not included it is not her. So no use talking about that.
--- Quote ---Also there is this, the idea that the Einherjar just seem like normal regular warriors, so Murphy will come back just like she was. We've never met a human before he became an Einherjar to compare before and after. No one has sat down with an Einherjar and asked him what his life was before.
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But we know they act quite human. Nothing indicates that they are not exactly what norse mythology says they are. The afterlife existence of dead warriors, not some zombies or vampires. Really the afterlife of a person. With the soul otherwise it just makes no sense and Vadderung would not have used soulfire but a drum.
And we know they have memories of their life, River Shoulder told us so. They have memories of the Genoskwa.
Actually from what we know dead people have better memory, total recall as Harry showed (and yes that is another sign he was dead)
The Valkyries pick them up and bring them to valhalla to fight and party. They are the same persons just a different condition. Hades keeps them in his realm, Vadderung raises the best ones as his warrior because he has a lot to do and that is what his followers want.
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