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1066, Hastings, Stamford Bridge, and the Outer Gates
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on December 30, 2020, 04:45:48 PM ---Mab could have been relatively new to the Queens Mantle (50 years) hence Korbs insult about pimpley faced and consistent with your time -line having previously been the Winter Lady.
Faerie may have existed before the organisation into courts, everyone was Wildfae, the Fates and Hecates power was poured into the 8 Mantles, but that was not likely the end of the power put into them, my guess a number of Fae were sacrificed on the Stone Table to add to the power of the Mantles, to create a structure which could interact with the mortal world easier than that of the God’s (hence the creation of the Knights Mantles and the step down in power from Mother Queen Lady). Add to that two new players in the Courts powers structures the Unicorns again more power required to create them, and they seem to be specific as amplifiers of the Courts Mantles. What were they originally? Greek mythology doesn’t include them and they are the Scottish heraldic animal which would be consistent with the Fae geographically. The Scottish Coat of Arms was supported by two Unicorns- prior to Napoleon did the two Courts work together in putting the Scottish King James on the English Throne?
Oh and “1066 And All That” much better title for this thread.
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Maeve left nearly 200 years of backlog. Plus, Ladies can't have kids. So Mab being queen is at least that far back.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on December 30, 2020, 04:31:26 PM ---The Raven banner was lost at Stamford Bridge- Mother Winter's stick?
Mab rode with the Conqueror, the Stick with Hardrada- that's Winter allied with Northmen (Normans were Viking offshoots).
England being split between Summer and Winter spheres fits the Danelaw.
Maeve is ~200 years old, I think that's the "last time" Starborn, and I lean toward a Lady vivisection being how Kemmler cracked the Darkhallow- and why Mab thought him mad. I think he was starborn.
I also think Loki was Odin's Titania, and became Nemfected but was untouchable by the Aesir due to Odin's blood brother pledge- and that this Nemfection was the cause of his going out-of-character crazy in the Poetic Edda
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If Harry was born in 1973 that means the prior Starborn were born in 1307 and before that in 641. Was the prior Lady killed during a Crusade?
I like the Loki got infected first theory and the Raven banner being Mother Nature's walking stick.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: K.L.O.E. on December 30, 2020, 06:04:19 PM ---If Harry was born in 1973 that means the prior Starborn were born in 1307 and before that in 641. Was the prior Lady killed during a Crusade?
I like the Loki got infected first theory and the Raven banner being Mother Nature's walking stick.
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You're a little wedded to 1:1 time mapping here.
The existence of "slow" and "fast" Nevernever zones means you can't just say that "A starborn would have been born around 1307, so they were active until 1607, assuming a lifespan of 300 years for a wizard."
Rashid killed the Mad Arab circa 800AD- he's not particularly old subjectively (he is old), but he is objectively old- phrased differently, he's not 1300 years old, but his birthdate in objective time was around 1300 years ago. From his point of view, he's only a few centuries old at most.
Nip into a slow zone for a day, come back, and find that 20 years have passed. Great for ensuring longevity, horrible for maintaining friendships. The only reason restriction seems to be, that food has to be real food to not turn into gloop once back in the real world.
So say at the Gates 1 day=5 days. If Rashid comes back to get food every two days from his point of view, then he's seeing people in the real world with a 10 day gap- easily enough to keep track of what's going on, slow enough to massively extend his life, because 200 years becomes 1,000 years.
Conspiracy Theorist:
This is a very good point, birth dates and apparent ages can easily be skewed by long life, the Never Never, time travel, and stasis, such as that at Demonreach.
Historical figures, if wizards could have a much earlier birth date than that given historically, faked as part of the masquerade, cutting a couple of centuries off then faking their own deaths and popping up under a new identity. Add in time travel, the Never Never, and stasis, their three to four centuries of life can become thousands of years experienced in the mortal world. Cowl for example could be someone from millennia past on this basis and none of the current candidates at all, but a historical figure of note such as Mordred (a random example) who has been extending his life in this fashion. We have too few fixed data points, deliberately so by Jim.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Avernite on December 30, 2020, 10:49:51 AM ---Well, Hecate's statue was in the vault. Not sure if that makes Hades the sponsor sacrificing Hecate, or if Hecate spun out some of her (their?) power.
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I kind of took it as "the Greeks" instead of this one or that one. But, like Morris said, I'm not the author, so any combination from Hecate, Hades, Hecate and Hades, all the to the entire pantheon is plausible. I would note that almost every creature from Greek mythology we've seen has been a faerie. The only exceptions I can think of are the Maenad from that short story where the spiked Mac's beer, Hades himself, and arguably the monster "ghosts" in Hades. I'm probably missing something somewhere.
--- Quote from: K.L.O.E. on December 30, 2020, 03:12:51 PM ---This theory is amazing but does it jive with Odin being Beowulf as well? Was he walking around as a mortal and defending the gates as a God at the same time?
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Not sure it matters, but Beowulf takes place in the 6th century.
Maeve and Sarissa's father was a 1) famous 2) Austrian 3) composer 4) who died young. This has been discussed extensively here, and, I believe, the conclusion was that only two historical figures really fit that description. They were both after the medieval period.
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on December 30, 2020, 08:15:04 PM ---Great for ensuring longevity, horrible for maintaining friendships.
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Great turn of phrase.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 01, 2021, 11:44:05 AM ---Historical figures, if wizards could have a much earlier birth date than that given historically, faked as part of the masquerade, cutting a couple of centuries off then faking their own deaths and popping up under a new identity.
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An example of this sort of thing that Jim confirmed was Drakul and Dracula.
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