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TrueMonk:
But would it be the right thing to do for Molly to get out?
I mean, she is protecting reality and is, as far as we can tell, very good at it. And she is to some degree protecting humanity from the winter fae, if nothing else she is keeping the mantle from someone who would be far worse.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: deadvoid on December 23, 2020, 08:47:58 AM ---Yeah but as Uriel's the boss and Jack weren't living human nor he free to choose Heaven, Hell or Between, it's really peculiar how Jack just told him to go back, told him nothing about the real why (Charmichael said they're big on why), makes you wonder who came up with the plan & who approved it? Not Jack of course.
Yeah, not sure about Uriel thoughts about Molly, probably can't do anything about her
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I think Jack was free to choose. That is the whole idea of in between, he can go on to what is next later and before that he can help Uriel with some stuff and improve his soul a bit. It is Jacks soul without a body but he is as free to choose as Harry was. Uriel told Jack to pick up Harry and give him some explanation because Jack was far more free to tell Harry things than Uriel and Uriel got plausible deniability out of it. :
--- Quote --- Uriel, bless his angelic heart, closed his eyes for a moment and took a deep, calming breath. “Collin . . .” he said, in a reproving, parental tone.
“I might have mentioned something about it,” Jack said. “Sure. Guy’s got a lot of friends. Friends are running around fighting monsters. I figure at least three of them are going to get hurt if he isn’t there to back them up. Seemed reasonable.”
“Collin,” Uriel said, his voice touched with an ocean of disappointment and a teaspoon of anger. “You lied.”
“I speculated,” Captain Jack replied. “I got him to do the right thing, didn’t I?”
“Collin, our purpose is to defend freedom—not to decide how it should be used.”
“Everything I told him was technically true, more or less, and I got the job done,” Jack said stubbornly. “Look, sir, if I were perfect, I wouldn’t be working here in the first place. Now, would I?”
And then he hung up. On speakerphone. On a freaking archangel.
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The plan was Uriel but Jack decided to push it in the desired direction in a way Uriel would and probably could never have done. He wanted to help his daughter and that was more important. We have a theme here.
But maybe Uriel had an idea that that could happen and that is why Collin got the assignment.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on December 23, 2020, 09:23:54 AM ---But would it be the right thing to do for Molly to get out?
I mean, she is protecting reality and is, as far as we can tell, very good at it. And she is to some degree protecting humanity from the winter fae, if nothing else she is keeping the mantle from someone who would be far worse.
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Probably not unless you are so fixated upon saving your own soul that you forget anyone else.
deadvoid:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 23, 2020, 09:25:22 AM ---I think Jack was free to choose. That is the whole idea of in between, he can go on to what is next later and before that he can help Uriel with some stuff and improve his soul a bit. It is Jacks soul without a body but he is as free to choose as Harry was.
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That really depends on whether suicide is a cardinal sin or not in Dresdenverse, Jim made it sounds they chose what they think should happened wrt religion & afterlife, and Catholics don't think they deserve anything but hell
Arjan:
--- Quote from: deadvoid on December 23, 2020, 09:46:55 AM ---That really depends on whether suicide is a cardinal sin or not in Dresdenverse, Jim made it sounds they chose what they think should happened wrt religion & afterlife, and Catholics don't think they deserve anything but hell
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But did he commit suicide? Not according to some woj I remember vaguely.
Nicodemus has committed enough cardinal sins to get straight to hell but the knights still try to save him. Uriel and others tell us that as long as you are alive and you have free will you can make choices and you are not definitively lost. You can still work to improve your soul.
Apparently that extend to bodiless wandering souls as long as they don’t go to what is next. Harry and Collin. Between seems to be set up for this goal. Uriel gives them the chance to make choices and Collin made use of that.
This is Jim’s world and he does not follow all Christianity’s dogmas. The impression I get is that you shape your soul with the free willed choices you make and that shaping is not completed until you die and go on to what is next and that is not Between.
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