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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 15, 2020, 03:10:10 AM ---Drakul seems to pick Wizards as his recruits so there isn't much reason to suspect that those others were not Wizards either (as mortals, let alone as Vampires).

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Maybe not. That might be why he was happy taking two (or three, depending on where Steed is) junior wardens in exchange for the vamps he lost in that fight.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 17, 2020, 07:13:42 AM ---And yes, perhaps it isn't the easiest bit of evocation to perform under pressure.

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Who said it was evocation at all? Could be a thaumaturgical spell requiring a full blown ritual for Harry to pull off.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 16, 2020, 07:37:34 PM ---you don't, you don't have to be Mortal. It's in a new Woj I just read in the transcription section thanks to TCFs work.
Jim implies you just have to be very unlucky.. I'm wondering if it's simply being Starborn is unlucky or he specifically meant being an immortal Starborn is unlucky. Drakul did end up stuck in a mortal(ish) shell after all.

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Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 17, 2020, 07:28:50 PM ---Maybe not. That might be why he was happy taking two (or three, depending on where Steed is) junior wardens in exchange for the vamps he lost in that fight.
Who said it was evocation at all? Could be a thaumaturgical spell requiring a full blown ritual for Harry to pull off.

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Hardly junior anymore I think. Most of the senior wardens have been killed, no? In any case it isn't a great trade I would think - experienced Blampire wizards for less experienced mortal wizards. Jim always goes on about any surviving Blampires are the most ruthless, pragmatic and wiliest of their kind. Although I will admit that rather didn't show in the scene...

It would hardly be a very useful spell if it wasn't evocation. I suspect any thaumaturgy Harry could muster would be dangerous enough to them anyway, regardless of the spell Kemmler created.


--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 17, 2020, 08:29:24 PM ---Jim implies you just have to be very unlucky.. I'm wondering if it's simply being Starborn is unlucky or he specifically meant being an immortal Starborn is unlucky. Drakul did end up stuck in a mortal(ish) shell after all.

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Interesting idea. My take is that he meant all starborn - immortal or mortal. No one seems to regard it as an especially good thing despite the fact it makes you resistant to Outsiders and more able to banish them, among whatever other abilities and traits come with it.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 20, 2020, 05:43:09 AM ---It would hardly be a very useful spell if it wasn't evocation.
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Not in a direct and immediate fight, but outside that context, why wouldn't it be useful? It's like saying the ability to make potions or enchantments isn't very useful.

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