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New Dresden Files podcast interview.
vincentric:
I don't believe Mab can force Harry to do anything. He has his free will. She just has the right to command him as her Knight. If Harry defies a command though, he'd be forced to the island to escape the consequences.
Mab doesn't want to give Harry a command that will cause his defiance though. He is the best Knight she has had in sometime and potentially one of the greatest ever. And she sees a kindred spirit in him. That won't stop her from punishing him horribly if he openly defies her, but I'm fairly sure only he gets private talks where he can ask the why of her orders.
Dina:
Yes, I agree with that.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: vincentric on December 20, 2020, 05:53:03 PM ---I don't believe Mab can force Harry to do anything. He has his free will. She just has the right to command him as her Knight. If Harry defies a command though, he'd be forced to the island to escape the consequences.
Mab doesn't want to give Harry a command that will cause his defiance though. He is the best Knight she has had in sometime and potentially one of the greatest ever. And she sees a kindred spirit in him. That won't stop her from punishing him horribly if he openly defies her, but I'm fairly sure only he gets private talks where he can ask the why of her orders.
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That is a definition of forcing somebody to do something that is based on Uriel’s definition of free will. The problem with that definition is that it becomes impossible for anyone to force anyone else to do something and so the word becomes meaningless and that it does not match the real world interpretation of the meaning of forcing someone to do something.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 20, 2020, 07:15:51 AM ---Perhaps he would, but when he is on the island, he has the power, not her. Harry could lock her up, but he'd have to be able to bind her first though, which wouldn't be an easy thing.
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I don't think he would have to bind her, at least not ritually like he did Ethniu. That scene implies DR could do so retroactively even with the warden dead. No real binding to speak of there.. I think it wouldn't be as effective though. The Warden, the one with the free will, is like the fulcrum of the lever when weighing DR against another. Without the leverage DR would have to use brute force so to speak. His metaphysical mass might be greater, but all the 'muscle' in the world doesn't help you if you can't apply proper leverage.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 20, 2020, 08:35:29 PM ---That is a definition of forcing somebody to do something that is based on Uriel’s definition of free will. The problem with that definition is that it becomes impossible for anyone to force anyone else to do something and so the word becomes meaningless and that it does not match the real world interpretation of the meaning of forcing someone to do something.
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That's true in real life also. You can always defy someone trying to coerce you. The question is, are you willing to accept the consequences that they may inflict on you and remain resolute? It may not be realistic in extreme cases but defiance is always an option even if it's an unpalatable one.
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