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Dina:
Yes, but Mab can literally force Harry to stab himself. She may not do it for the reasons you mentioned, a puppet Harry is not useful for Mab. Still, she could. If the blackstaff was just laying on the street, I am sure she could force Harry to give it to her. But if it was in Demonreach, she cpuldn't.
deadvoid:
Fae's cannot cross certain boundaries, for example telling a lie. They have some wiggle room so they can workaround their limitations, but that's not free will, they're very strict on tit for tat rules, duties, boundaries, and relationship protocols such as hospitality, keeping promises & anything related to balance.
So the question is: what about the Queen telling her knight to betray his other mantle rights & duties if she desires, such as giving her Blackstaff that Warden of Demonreach has confiscated? I think not, Harry being a WK is separate from Warden thus it's not possible to get him to betray his Warden's right from Fae perspective. She could offer him something for it, but command him: no.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: vincentric on December 21, 2020, 05:35:57 AM ---That's true in real life also. You can always defy someone trying to coerce you. The question is, are you willing to accept the consequences that they may inflict on you and remain resolute? It may not be realistic in extreme cases but defiance is always an option even if it's an unpalatable one.
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But that is not the point. The concepts are real but the meaning of the word is shifted. You now have two groups of people who speak a slightly different language but are most probably not aware of it. It can lead to misunderstandings. It is also a way to influence your thinking. Or it can be an effort to change society.
If you do it on a large scale it can isolate groups of people because good communication with other people becomes impossible.
It can also be something completely innocent. Words shift meaning all the time because language evolves but that is not the case here.
Dina:
--- Quote from: deadvoid on December 21, 2020, 06:09:51 AM ---Fae's cannot cross certain boundaries, for example telling a lie. They have some wiggle room so they can workaround their limitations, but that's not free will, they're very strict on tit for tat rules, duties, boundaries, and relationship protocols such as hospitality, keeping promises & anything related to balance.
So the question is: what about the Queen telling her knight to betray his other mantle rights & duties if she desires, such as giving her Blackstaff that Warden of Demonreach has confiscated? I think not, Harry being a WK is separate from Warden thus it's not possible to get him to betray his Warden's right from Fae perspective. She could offer him something for it, but command him: no.
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I agree
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on December 21, 2020, 06:39:54 AM ---I agree
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It is all about duties and obligations. Mab never prevented Harry from meeting his obligations. She even made sure that Toot’s pizza was delivered because those things are important.
Harry has obligations to the island just like he has obligations to Toot. Harry had obligations to the white council but they threw them away. I think Mab would call that stupid but she won’t complain.
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