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Walkers and Swords and Houses [BG Spoilers]

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Mira:

--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 27, 2020, 04:44:19 PM ---Yes. Willpower is something that allows you to enforce your will and reason on emotions, in wizard case more widely - on emotions but also on energies of uniwerse (as we know those as simmilar - as aura of emotion in Battle Ground allow Dresden to overcharge his spells.)
But I do not see as emotion on itself. I see it as faculty. Like senses are faculties of perception - you see or hear something. Sight of beauty or sound of shagnasty laugh can cause emotions but it's secondary effect to perception itself.

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Like I said for good or ill, because will power can close one's mind to the truth as well as hold one to the truth.

Wicked Woodpecker of West:

--- Quote ---Like I said for good or ill, because will power can close one's mind to the truth as well as hold one to the truth.

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Well of course, yes.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 23, 2020, 11:24:05 PM ---Drawing comparisons. Others have said these before, but I wanted to list them to try to spur new lines of thought.

Swords of the Cross

* Faith
* Hope
* Love
White Court Houses

* Fear
* Despair
* Lust
Walkers

* Behind
* “Neither fear nor pain sway you..."
* My head was full of pain and fear.
* Before
* I could feel a horrible, hopeless weight...
* The psychic assault of despair that Sharkface had sent into my head evaporated...
* Beside - Doesn't seem to use lust. Uses desire or twisted love to seduce and corrupt?
* Twists a man's love of family into ambition (per Lily).
* Twists Denton's love of law and order into rage.
* Twists Aurora's love of life into a murderous plot to spare lives.
* Twists Maeve's love of her mother into spite.
* Twists Justine and Thomas's love into a reason to betray and kill.
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Hmm. While I have always felt there was an Outsider connection to the White Court (and all the Vampires - this is all but confirmed in BG), I am not sure about whether they are the opposition as such to Heaven. Jim seems to work on the D&D four poles (Law, Chaos, Good, Evil) with his own twist. By using that rather crude format we must assume Heaven is Lawful Good, Hell is Lawful Evil, the Outsiders are Chaotic Evil and the Fae are Chaotic Good (roughly). My point is that if the Houses of the White Courts are the opposites of the Swords, then the Outsiders are less likely to be the sponsors of the White Court. It would indicate their origins lie in the Infernal realms. Which is certainly possible. I say this as the Swords seem to be most seriously opposed to Hell and more specifically the Denarians. Everything else is just extra.

But if the White Court is related in some way to the Outsiders then it's quite plausible that each house has a patron of one of the Walkers. Well, the three main houses anyway. There are several smaller houses who would perhaps have lesser Outsiders as patrons.

I very much like the comparisons made to each of the Walker from their psychic weapons of choice. I do feel it would be more thematic if Behind was related most to Love, as he is the greatest of the Walkers (if memory serves) and Love is the greatest of the Virtues (at least in some interpretations but more importantly in Jim's novels).

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on November 27, 2020, 06:12:30 PM ---Like I said for good or ill, because will power can close one's mind to the truth as well as hold one to the truth.

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that's not really will power than is it? Stubbornness or determination then.

--- Quote --- It would indicate their origins lie in the Infernal realms. Which is certainly possible. I say this as the Swords seem to be most seriously opposed to Hell and more specifically the Denarians. Everything else is just extra
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I disagree entirely. Hell is just extra. They were not originally purposed to fight hell specifically. The denarians are placeholders. Just as summer must balance winter, hell exists to balance heaven. When that balance is skewed it messes up reality.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 01, 2020, 12:30:28 AM ---I disagree entirely. Hell is just extra. They were not originally purposed to fight hell specifically. The denarians are placeholders. Just as summer must balance winter, hell exists to balance heaven. When that balance is skewed it messes up reality.

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Except it is quite literally Angels in Nails/Swords versus Fallen Angels in Coins. Forces of Heaven versus the forces of Hell. A Microcosm of the great conflict between the two. But every win the Knights get against the Denarians seems to make things worse for Hell, and better for Heaven.

If you fight a soldier from another country in combat, you are not merely fighting that soldier. You are also in conflict with that country. It's not a separate thing. Unless you believe the Denarians have their own agenda separate from Hell's...

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