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Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
Dina:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on November 28, 2020, 10:59:46 PM ---The First Law is "don't kill mortals with magic," not "don't murder mortals with magic." Nothing in WoJ, the books, or short stories indicate that "not murder" killings are exempted from the Laws of Magic, the Council's or the universe's version. If I was writing the books, that's how it would work. But I'm not.
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Harry killed Justin (and, as far as the WC knows) Elaine with magic and they did not kill him because they could not prove it was not in self defense. So, Damocles and all that, but self defense is a passable excuse. Also, about the death sentence, a wizard has no right to speak in his defense? Because Harry said he was too busy to go to speak with the WC while he was working the PT, but that was about his status as member of the council. It he was going to be accused of, basically, being a warlock, he should have been able to defend himself, right?
Gosh, I really hope that decision bites the Council in the arse.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 28, 2020, 11:58:14 PM ---Harry killed Justin (and, as far as the WC knows) Elaine with magic and they did not kill him because they could not prove it was not in self defense. So, Damocles and all that, but self defense is a passable excuse. Also, about the death sentence, a wizard has no right to speak in his defense? Because Harry said he was too busy to go to speak with the WC while he was working the PT, but that was about his status as member of the council. It he was going to be accused of, basically, being a warlock, he should have been able to defend himself, right?
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The defendant has no rights at all. In the show trial against Morgan letting him speak was an exception, not the rule. Nobody let Molly speak. You only get a defense if some wizard with enough cloud wants to defend you. If he gets the opportunity and the warlock is not just beheaded in your absence
These are not really trials in any modern sense. Just a group of people deciding whether you are too dangerous too live.
And unless the case is too clear to ignore it can be all subject to politics. Harry was spared not because he was innocent, several wizards just wanted too kill him, but because the blackstaf had enough cloud to prevent it. And again Harry did not speak either. He could not even see who his accusers were.
--- Quote ---Gosh, I really hope that decision bites the Council in the arse.
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Of course. They will need winter and probably Harry in the next apocalypse. But most of them are pretty ignorant as the gatekeeper said.
morriswalters:
The Wizards judicial proceedings are modeled after Star Chambers and the Wardens after Death Squads. Why Jim chose these particular models escapes me.
vincentric:
The White Council doesn't really have trials. What they have are formal meetings that allow them a salve to the collective conscience of the non-Senior members and for the Senior Council to make political points and on rare occasions find new talent.
Execute a warlock? Expel an outlaw? That's on the seniors, nothing to do with me, sad about those lost kids though.
The Seniors get to show that they have the power and authority to run things. They also get to say, " Hey, we've found a rare kid with talent, who's not a total loss. Anybody want to try to save them and add to the WC's power It's ok if you don't cuz we have this insane rule where if they go bad before you finish teaching them you die. See how compassionate and merciful we can be.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 28, 2020, 11:58:14 PM ---Harry killed Justin (and, as far as the WC knows) Elaine with magic and they did not kill him because they could not prove it was not in self defense.
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Self defense isn't a justification. Self defense against black magic is. There's a huge difference. The Turtlenecks were using firearms, not magic.
--- Quote from: vincentric on November 29, 2020, 05:21:45 PM ---... we have this insane rule where if they go bad before you finish teaching them you die.
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Is that a rule? It happened that one time with Harry. It doesn't appear to be a condition on Eb. The condition placed on Eb was that he would have to execute Harry if Harry stepped out of line. Eb ignored this condition.
The White Council's concept of what a trial consisted of might have come from the Roman Empire. I don't know what that looked like. In the Republic, it looked close enough to what we're familiar with: juries, two sides arguing, etc. After the Republic, the juries went away. I'm not sure about the rest.
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