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Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
KurtinStGeorge:
This seems like a rather minor part of a conversation Carlos had with Harry, at Marcone's Castle before Ehniu showed up.
Carlos - "How's Karrin doing?"
Harry - "Like always, but slower and grouchier."
Carlos - "I heard what she did. Went hand to hand with Nicodemus Archleone and survived."
How did Carlos or anyone from the White Council know about this? Was someone sitting under a veil watching the whole thing play out? That seems highly unlikely. I don't think Rashid saw it through some time travel message shenanigan's. If he had it's unlikely he would have told anybody else unless he believed it was necessary to do so.
I'm going to eliminate Nicodemus and the Genoskwa from the list of people who would have spilled the story. One's on the run and the other would rather kill a human than talk to one. That leaves Harry, Murphy, Michael and Waldo Butters. Charity was in the safe room with the children.
Murphy was pretending that her injuries occurred in a traffic accident and Harry would have backed her up on this. That leaves Michael and Waldo and Michael was in the game a long time before that day. Long enough to know there are some things you don't share around the campfire.
I think Waldo Butters shared the story of Murphy going up against Nicodemus with some of the people on the paranet. He wouldn't have done it out of maliciousness, just a lack of understanding that some things need to be kept under wraps. Unless, it was Mr. Sunshine and that seems really, really unlikely. Do you have a different solution?
A couple of other questions come to mind. Shouldn't Harry have been surprised by Carlos' question? If Ramirez knows about Murphy going against Nicodemus, how much more does he; and the White Council, know about the break in of Marcone's vault? For that matter, what about the rest of the major players in the supernatural world. For example, shouldn't Lara know the same facts? However, even though Carlos knew that Nicodemus had been set up, he gave Marcone all the credit for doing so, which was incorrect. Marcone and Hades provided the bait. Mab was the real brains behind the plan and Harry made it happen. Do you think Carlos realized that Harry was involved, because it didn't seem like he did to me? If you want to reread this passage, it's in chapter 25, page 238.
Arjan:
Word gets around. Part of it because of Marcone and Mab who want everyone to know about Nicodemus defeat. Part of it because everyone is watching each other.
Dina:
I forgot to mention this before, but yes, it surprised me too. Specially the "I heard" but it implies that he does not know it thanks to Harry. But, IIRC, they were spreading the word that they were working for Marcone, so I think Marcone and his people spread the word. But of course, it could have been Michael. If that is the case, I hope the White Council also knows what Michael said of them in the end of BG :D
Mira:
Not so surprised about the question about Murphy perhaps. But how would he know about her
fight with Nic that got her injured? But then again, wouldn't that have been a friendly question to
be asked when they were on the beach before all of this went down in the first place? Or more odd, wasn't she sitting in the Munstermobile when Carlos and company stopped Harry? Why didn't he just ask her then, if supposedly it was all friendly, which it wasn't.
One way that makes some sense, is one of the Wardens was involved with a mission that included
Butters, the new Holy Knight. Then he would have gotten the information that the Sword had been remade, and there was a new Knight, and most likely Butters would have told how it happened. I don't think it is a secret.
Then there are a couple of ways that would be troubling if Harry had been paying attention fully to what Carlos said. However his mind was a bit occupied at the moment with how to free Thomas.
1] Carlos has taken up a coin because his body is so weakened he cannot do his job anymore. He was in a wheel chair apparently, but no indication that he is. Or father the holder of the coin never made itself known.
2] Yes, Harry was being watched even then, or rather watched for. He had been on the island for a year, so it was known when he left it with Mab. If it was a veiled tail, they might have seen the jewel that Mab put in his ear to keep the pain at bay, and interpreted it as a "control" of sorts. It would have seen the rest as well, and disciplined enough to merely watch and not get involved.
3] Carlos is infected with Nemesis, hope not, that well has been gone to a lot.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2020, 12:01:29 PM ---Or more odd, wasn't she sitting in the Munstermobile when Carlos and company stopped Harry? Why didn't he just ask her then, if supposedly it was all friendly, which it wasn't.
One way that makes some sense, is one of the Wardens was involved with a mission that included
Butters, the new Holy Knight. Then he would have gotten the information that the Sword had been remade, and there was a new Knight, and most likely Butters would have told how it happened. I don't think it is a secret.
Then there are a couple of ways that would be troubling if Harry had been paying attention fully to what Carlos said. However his mind was a bit occupied at the moment with how to free Thomas.
1] Carlos has taken up a coin because his body is so weakened he cannot do his job anymore. He was in a wheel chair apparently, but no indication that he is. Or father the holder of the coin never made itself known.
2] Yes, Harry was being watched even then, or rather watched for. He had been on the island for a year, so it was known when he left it with Mab. If it was a veiled tail, they might have seen the jewel that Mab put in his ear to keep the pain at bay, and interpreted it as a "control" of sorts. It would have seen the rest as well, and disciplined enough to merely watch and not get involved.
3] Carlos is infected with Nemesis, hope not, that well has been gone to a lot.
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No, Harry was alone the first time he went to see Lara.
I wonder if Mab might have been watching Harry under a veil. She might have watched the incident and then spread the story of how Nicodemus betrayed his word, betrayed the people he hired and how Murphy survived going one on one with him. Of course, she would have done this through proxies and gave Marcone all of the credit so Nicodemus will focus any future revenge plans against the Baron of Chicago. That would seem a very Mab thing to do; discredit and belittle an enemy and yet find a way to point their rage at someone else.
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