The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
Mira:
--- Quote ---No, Harry was alone the first time he went to see Lara.
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You're right, my bad. Still Carlos could have asked about Murphy then.. He knew from the tracking dot that Harry had spent considerable time at her place.
--- Quote ---I wonder if Mab might have been watching Harry under a veil. She might have watched the incident and then spread the story of how Nicodemus betrayed his word, betrayed the people he hired and how Murphy survived going one on one with him. Of course, she would have done this through proxies and gave Marcone all of the credit so Nicodemus will focus any future revenge plans against the Baron of Chicago. That would seem a very Mab thing to do; discredit and belittle an enemy and yet find a way to point their rage at someone else.
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She could have, but I am not quite sure what her gain would be. Nic had already been discredited pretty badly by the end of Skin Game. We also do not know if Carlos knows the full story, as in Nic going back on his word. What we know, he knows, is Murphy received some major injuries fighting Nic. All Carlos said was, "I heard.." Now Molly may even have told him all of this before their sex fiasco. Which actually makes more sense that it coming from Butters.
Bad Alias:
It might not be a secret in the supernatural community of Chicago or the Paranet. If it's not a secret in either, it wouldn't be weird for Carlos to hear as he's in L.A. where one of the heads of the Paranet is.
If it's only widely known in the Chicago supernatural community, Carlos has been keeping tab on the goings on of Chicago (meaning he's been suspicious of Harry), or he just talked to someone he knows in the Chicago supernatural community when he went out there for the peace talks.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2020, 06:06:48 PM ---You're right, my bad. Still Carlos could have asked about Murphy then.. He knew from the tracking dot that Harry had spent considerable time at her place.
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Good point.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2020, 06:06:48 PM ---She could have, but I am not quite sure what her gain would be. Nic had already been discredited pretty badly by the end of Skin Game. We also do not know if Carlos knows the full story, as in Nic going back on his word. What we know, he knows, is Murphy received some major injuries fighting Nic. All Carlos said was, "I heard.." Now Molly may even have told him all of this before their sex fiasco. Which actually makes more sense that it coming from Butters.
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I'm not sure about the part I highlighted. I think Nicodemus was discredited because someone made some kind of public declaration; within the magical community, that Nicodemus had betrayed his word. If Nicodemus comes out of the vault by himself, possibly with one or two allies, then no one can say what he did. After Harry and company came out, I think that's when Mab put the word out. Nic leaving by himself with Harry pursuing a few minutes later was all Mab needed to publicize Nic's betrayal. I don't think Binder would have said anything because he just wanted his split. Anna Valmont operates on the edges of the supernatural world, she's not a full member. She would have relished the idea of discrediting Nicodemus, but I'm not sure she would know how to do it or if her word alone would suffice. Michael wouldn't have lowered himself to do something like this and Harry was under the weather, so to speak. That's why I think Mab put out the information to any and everyone in the supernatural world.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I'm not sure about the part I highlighted. I think Nicodemus was discredited because someone made some kind of public declaration; within the magical community, that Nicodemus had betrayed his word. If Nicodemus comes out of the vault by himself, possibly with one or two allies, then no one can say what he did. After Harry and company came out, I think that's when Mab put the word out. Nic leaving by himself with Harry pursuing a few minutes later was all Mab needed to publicize Nic's betrayal. I don't think Binder would have said anything because he just wanted his split. Anna Valmont operates on the edges of the supernatural world, she's not a full member. She would have relished the idea of discrediting Nicodemus, but I'm not sure she would know how to do it or if her word alone would suffice. Michael wouldn't have lowered himself to do something like this and Harry was under the weather, so to speak. That's why I think Mab put out the information to any and everyone in the supernatural world.
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I don't think she had to do anything to get the word out. Evidently the supernatural grapevine is pretty strong. The motive behind the robbery was pure vengeance for kidnapping Marcone years before, it was years in the making. What is interesting about the little scene at the end of Skin Game between Marcone, Mab, Harry, and Molly is what Harry said about what went down in the bank itself.
--- Quote ---Why the plans to Marcone's vault were available.Why the bodies got cleaned up, and
why the cops didn't crawl all over this thing when it was done. Hell, they probably spinning the shoot-out and the explosions as some kind of terrorist attack.
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Little off topic I realize, but in the light of Rudolph's I.A. investigation, I am thinking it had Marcone's finger prints all over it.. Back to regular programing..
Nic's set up,
Harry to Mab and Marcone;
--- Quote ---"And you dealt him the worst pain you could imagine. You took away his daughter. No, you did worse---you made him do it himself." "Now he has lost his lieutenant," I continued. "He's lost his squires. When word gets out of his treachery, he'll lose his name. No one will want to work with him. From where you are standing, you've done worse than kill him. You've wounded him, strangled his power, and left him to suffer."
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I doubt that Mab was watching or that it was she that put the word out. Now it might have been Marcone. Or in a twisted way, it may have been Nic himself trying to rebuilt his rep. He is down, but he isn't out, he can be just as cunning as Mab, and he is host to a master spy who hears everything, he might have learned just enough so that Nic could exploit prejudices in the Senior Council, he'd know of the sexual fiasco that Carlos suffered..
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2020, 06:06:48 PM ---All Carlos said was, "I heard.." Now Molly may even have told him all of this before their sex fiasco. Which actually makes more sense that it coming from Butters.
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Nah, that short story was lampshaded as being very shortly after she got the mantle. Early in Harry's time stuck on the island, not post-SG.
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