The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
Dina:
I still think the "killing humans" is BS. It was a battle. It's like killing someone in self defense. It shouldn't be a reason to expulsion, or death sentence, or anything.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 28, 2020, 07:37:52 PM ---I still think the "killing humans" is BS. It was a battle. It's like killing someone in self defense. It shouldn't be a reason to expulsion, or death sentence, or anything.
--- End quote ---
So was Chichen Itza but the blackstaff only got away with killing all those mercenaries because of his staff. The accusation was flimsy because the status of turtlenecks.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on November 28, 2020, 06:38:27 PM ---I know I and others here have said it before, but it bears repeating, it makes little sense for the Council to oust Harry, largely on evidence that he violated the First Law, and not execute him for that violation.
It's an equivocal response. It telegraphs weakness and fear. They're unwilling to attack Harry. A single wizard. Sure, he has a fearsome reputation, but so do a lot of members. Kincaid seemed scared of Eb. The Merlin, the Gatekeeper, LtW are all extremely impressive in combat. They were set on killing Morgan rather than appear weak. Either the Council is in serious trouble, or something else is at play.
--- End quote ---
The catch there is that being WK gives him more protection than he thinks.
--- Quote ---Does Harry get paid for being the Winter Knight or is that not a thing?
Are you kidding? No no he can go ask for things. Harry already did get paid for being the Winter Knight by being given a bunch of power. The Sidhe are hyper-focused on obligation and keeping the sheets balanced, especially Winter. In Summer you can get a little bit more emotional and do some nice things and not hold anyone accountable for it but in Winter everyone accounts for everything. So sure they could pay Harry but he'd have to go live on - and be working shifts and doing things on their time and so on. As it is Mab's just made a deal "When I need you, you show up." He's kind of a consultant now and he's been paid in power. Plus he reaps a bunch of side indirect benefits of being Mab's strong guy; such as the White Council not just obliterating him. "That would be declaring a war, can't really do that, damn it, we should have killed this guy when we had the chance" that's what a lot of people on the White Council are thinking, even the people who kind of like him, "you know what, maybe we should have killed this guy when we had a chance", they've seen too many bad wizards come along. Everybody who is worried about Harry is looking at him and thinking "that's Kemmler again and it's just a matter of time before he starts digging into bad things, you saw what he did with the dinosaur" so. But yeah, they're not gonna pay him that would be too easy for Harry. Harry's the Charlie Brown of urban fantasy, he gets to open his treat bag and go "I got a rock".
--- End quote ---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N-5X2wf8JM
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 28, 2020, 07:37:52 PM ---It was a battle. It's like killing someone in self defense.
--- End quote ---
The First Law is "don't kill mortals with magic," not "don't murder mortals with magic." Nothing in WoJ, the books, or short stories indicate that "not murder" killings are exempted from the Laws of Magic, the Council's or the universe's version. If I was writing the books, that's how it would work. But I'm not.
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on November 28, 2020, 08:32:42 PM ---The catch there is that being WK gives him more protection than he thinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N-5X2wf8JM
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---How much of a pause would the White Council take if Harry were to start flagrantly breaking the laws and saying “Come at me bro” while Winter Knight? Would his connection to Mab provide much protection?
They wouldn’t pause long at /all/ in that case. And Mab would look at him and say “you started this: finish it.”
--- End quote ---
While it appears that your more recent WoJ and this one conflict, I can read them as not conflicting. The "White Council not just obliterating him" (emphasis added) isn't the same as them executing him for "flagrantly breaking the laws and saying 'Come at me bro.'” They're is a big difference between executing someone for breaking a well established law with the death penalty being the well established sentence than just assassinating/murdering someone. Most despotic regimes and tyrannical kings usually have some trumped up charges when they just want someone dead.
I still think it telegraphs weakness. Especially to those who aren't thinking like the 2016 WoJ, but are thinking Harry was flagrantly violating the Laws while thumbing his nose at the Council, which he basically did when Ramirez confronted him in the graveyard.
I think these two WoJ, read together and not as contradictions, really lend credence to the "killing Turtlenecks is a First Law violation is bs" camp.
Also this to illustrate how Jim lies with like a Sidhe/changes his mind.
--- Quote ---Kansas City release party Q&A [circa 2011]
You’ve mentioned several times that marriages are used to seal pacts and alliances, will Harry be forced into a marriage, and will it be with Lara [Raith]?
What makes you think that Harry hasn’t been forced into a marriage already? I mean, the whole thing with Mab, come on. Read more book. Read the most recent one, and see if that doesn’t give you more answers. Certainly, he’s in it deep with Mab at the moment, because there’ll be none of this, “He’s going to get out of this because he was technically dead”—no, it’s too easy.
--- End quote ---
morriswalters:
Of course it's BS, in the book Harry knows it and so does Carlos. It high political theater, or at least what passes for it in Jim's mind. It's been telegraphed since Summer Knight and was reinforced in Dead Beat. It was only a question of when. Carlos knew of the events because a rep is useful to Marcone only when things that build him up are widely known. It would have been part of taking down Nic.
Jim has shown that he will throw canon under the bus if it suits him.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version