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"Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
Dina:
He was with Lara much later. The plan of taking him off the council was already in movement, as Eb told him at his place. But with the rest, I agree.
Mab should be pleased, those stupid free her Knight of a lot of boundaries now.
But the real, definite proof that the Council is in the wrong is Michael's reaction. When in doubt, look at Michael (and Mouse, if you can).
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 18, 2020, 06:18:38 PM ---He was with Lara much later. The plan of taking him off the council was already in movement, as Eb told him at his place. But with the rest, I agree.
Mab should be pleased, those stupid free her Knight of a lot of boundaries now.
But the real, definite proof that the Council is in the wrong is Michael's reaction. When in doubt, look at Michael (and Mouse, if you can).
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Oh they are wrong but that does not mean they know they are wrong. And we do not know what support Harry still has in the council.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 18, 2020, 05:08:18 PM ---Yes, that is all very, very true but, again, Harry has not done anything to show that he has changed. There is no trail of bodies that Harry left in Mab's name. He still frequented Thomas, but he did that before. He did not see Lara (I am talking about the beginning of PT). He still frequents the Knights. He frequents Murphy more than before. Nothing in his behavior says "he became dark side". So yes, I fully understand being wary and cautious. Tracking spell? Voting him out the Council? Not so much.
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I totally agree, no reason to put that tracking dot on him without warning. Unless he did it to prove a point to someone else that Harry hasn't gone dark, but there is no evidence of that.
--- Quote ---Out of sight. That was why his bodyguard detail was a trap, he could not go to Edinburgh to talk to people. He did not maintain his contacts in the white council so any rumor about him became more believable.
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Except he has never done that, that is one reason why he never came in contact with Peabody's ink and influence. Rashid filled out the paperwork for him after Cold Days, so that is a big contact. Actually it might be considered suspicious if Harry suddenly did hang out in Edinburgh and got close, close...
--- Quote ---Then he was secretive. All wizards are secretive but if there is suspicion it will only make it worse. And then he boinked with Lara. Big red flag. Especially with Carlos who soul gazed Lara in white night and knows what a monster she is.
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But he never boinked Lara, the illusion that he did all happened after Carlos put the dot on his wrist, and after the sex scan, done without permission I might add. It only confirmed he had had sex recently, not with whom..
--- Quote ---His winter knight strength is also a red flag. Monsters are physically strong, not wizards.
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Why? The mantle gives him physical strength, that doesn't make him a monster. When Listens to Wind transforms himself into a grizzly bear, he is extremely strong with the teeth and claws to back that up, does that make him a monster? With his magic, Eb can move half a mountain, does that make him a monster?
--- Quote ---But the real decision came at the end after he took the eye of Balor obviously because he did not trust the white council with it.
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No, he doesn't, and if the White Council wants the Eye they went about getting it the wrong way. However we really don't know the real reason why the Council wanted to get rid of Harry.
--- Quote ---Oh and toot scared the hell out of them too. He has a whole army now.
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Yeah, I am not sure why that scared them so much unless they now know they can't just bully Harry into compliance.
--- Quote ---Mab is not that impressed by the white council now.
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If she ever was? Which I doubt, however she is sure of one thing, the Council is afraid of Harry.. They got rid of the wolf that they are going to need down the road.
--- Quote ---Oh they are wrong but that does not mean they know they are wrong. And we do not know what support Harry still has in the council.
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That is true, oh I think Harry still has some support, Eb, Listens to Wind, and Rashid.. But when the vote came down two were in surgery and the third occupied with keeping the Gates safe. Unsure how deep Martha's support runs without Eb being present, but she has to know the service Harry performed during the battle. I am also not all that certain that Christos is so much against Harry now, but I'd say it was either him or Carlos who testified against Harry. However it still all could be a sham, because if they believed it, there would be no suspended death sentence.. It would be simple, death by Blackstaff.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: toodeep on November 18, 2020, 03:27:26 PM ---What I really want is another short story, "Field Trip," where Harry takes a bunch of people who need to know what is on the line to the outer gates - Fix is the most important to take, probably Butters to be a communicator, and Carlos out of hope of repairing the relationship. Maybe Billy just because he deserves the trust. Maybe Lara if she isn't clued in, though I suspect she is and bringing her along would weaken the outreach to Carlos.
Such a trip isn't really letting any secret out of the bag, since all the power players know it. And it gives a reason for Harry to be a monster and for others to help him. Fix really needs to know that while there are times that Winter and Summer are enemies, that there are also times they are allies for a good reason. And I think that if Carlos can see Harry getting along with the Summer Knight, see a reason for Harry to be helping Mab, and see a knight of the cross along vouching for Harry, that might go a long way to bringing Carlos back in the fold.
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If the senior council needed to know and it was safe to tell them, they would know, because Rashid would have told them. Rashid hides what he is from the Council, because he would be subject to attack away from the gates if it was revealed who and what he is.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 18, 2020, 06:04:19 PM ---Out of sight. That was why his bodyguard detail was a trap, he could not go to Edinburgh to talk to people. He did not maintain his contacts in the white council so any rumor about him became more believable.
Then he was secretive. All wizards are secretive but if there is suspicion it will only make it worse. And then he boinked with Lara. Big red flag. Especially with Carlos who soul gazed Lara in white night and knows what a monster she is.
And as usual when everything goes to hell he is away doing personal stuff. We saw Ebenezer’s reaction to that. With Lara.
His winter knight strength is also a red flag. Monsters are physically strong, not wizards.
But the real decision came at the end after he took the eye of Balor obviously because he did not trust the white council with it.
Oh and toot scared the hell out of them too. He has a whole army now.
Mab is not that impressed by the white council now.
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She was throwing shade at them for how they were acting with regards to Harry as early as Cold Days, picking 45 of all songs for his birthday party.
(click to show/hide)Send away for a priceless gift
One not subtle, one not on the list
Send away for a perfect world
One not simply, so absurd
In these times of doing what you're told
Keep these feelings, no one knows
What ever happened to the young man's heart?
Swallowed by pain, as he slowly fell apart
And I'm staring down the barrel of a 45
Swimming through the ashes of another life
No real reason to accept the way things have changed
Staring down the barrel of a 45
Send a message to the unborn child
Keep your eyes open for a while
In a box high up on the shelf, left for you, no one else
There's a piece of a puzzle known as life
Wrapped in guilt, sealed up tight
What ever happened to the young man's heart?
Swallowed by pain, as he slowly fell apart
And I'm staring down the barrel of a 45
Swimming through the ashes of another life
No real reason to accept the way things have changed
Staring down the barrel of a 45
Everyone's pointing their fingers
Always condemning me
And nobody knows what I believe
I believe
And I'm staring down the barrel of a 45
Swimming through the ashes of another life
No real reason to accept the way things have changed
Staring down the barrel of a 45
And I'm staring down the barrel of a 45
And I'm swimming through the ashes of another life
There is no real reason to accept the way things have changed
Staring down the barrel of a 45, 45
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