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"Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Cue Carlos concluding it was all wishful thinking that anyone could fall into Mab's clutches and not become a monster. All very logical and exactly what Harry expected going in.
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Except Harry doesn't know that it was Molly that injured Carlos. And yes, while it is logical, it is still underhanded. If Carlos really wanted Harry to talk to him, the time would have been on the beach, just the two of them, before the tracking dot.. Once that was done, trust went out the window. And yes, it did lots of damage, Molly turning on him like she did, confirmed any fears he had about her or Harry turning into monsters. The right person with an agenda gets a hold of it, it becomes easy to exploit and ultimately push Harry from the Council.
Chandler is interesting, in Changes when Harry ran a fowl of Arrianna in Edinburgh, Luccio wrote a letter to Harry warning him not to return. Enclosed with her letter was a longer letter of explanation written by Chandler, apparently according to Harry, he works very closely with Luccio. Which could explain the warning look from him to Harry, it may also have been a message from Luccio, also a warning not to trust any of the Wardens.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 05:17:31 PM ---But as of White Night, Carlos didn't ask any questions.
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I don't recall if he asked any specific questions, but he did call Harry out on keeping him in the dark and on Harry's suspicious behavior. I think Harry had an opportunity to forge a deeper friendship with Carlos there. It wasn't without risk. Carlos could have reported everything Harry said.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 29, 2020, 05:39:53 PM ---He went back far enough that it was greater than a normal wizards lifespan, stasis was his only option, perhaps about 620 years?
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It doesn't even have to be that far back. Even if he went back a week, he could risk damaging the space time continuum. Now, we know it would have to be longer than that because it would have to have been a Warden prior to Harry.
--- Quote from: Avernite on October 29, 2020, 06:28:44 PM ---Cue Carlos concluding it was all wishful thinking that anyone could fall into Mab's clutches and not become a monster. All very logical and exactly what Harry expected going in.
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--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 07:10:45 PM ---Except Harry doesn't know that it was Molly that injured Carlos.
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I believe Avernite was referring to what Harry expected, not what happened to Carlos. Harry expected that He'd be a monster almost instantly after becoming Winter Knight. Hard to blame Carlos for thinking Harry was a monster after a few years.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I believe Avernite was referring to what Harry expected, not what happened to Carlos. Harry expected that He'd be a monster almost instantly after becoming Winter Knight. Hard to blame Carlos for thinking Harry was a monster after a few years.
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The point is, when he learned that Harry was running with a 250 pound vest, he gave Harry, "the look." Harry says he'd seen it before, Carlos thinks he is a monster.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 08:53:54 PM ---The point is, when he learned that Harry was running with a 250 pound vest, he gave Harry, "the look." Harry says he'd seen it before, Carlos thinks he is a monster.
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That's your point. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Carlos at least suspects Harry of being monstrous. The argument is that Carlos isn't being irrational or unreasonable in suspecting Harry at a certain point. Maybe even at any point.
Before he took the deal, and several times after, Harry thought it was only a matter of time before becoming the Winter Knight would turn him into a monster. Why is it unreasonable for Carlos to think that as well?
Mira:
--- Quote ---That's your point. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Carlos at least suspects Harry of being monstrous. The argument is that Carlos isn't being irrational or unreasonable in suspecting Harry at a certain point. Maybe even at any point.
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The point is, Carlos is still telling Harry at the end of Battle Ground, "If you had only talked to me, 60,000 people wouldn't have died." That is total B.S., and not something friends say to one another.
The point is Carlos from the moment on the beach was acting like he was Harry's good friend, all the while putting a tracking dot on his wrist, a good friend doesn't do that and then expects his friend to "trust him, and talk to him." There was talk of betrayal of Harry, there it is, Carlos betrayed Harry, I bet he is the one who testified against him as well. If Carlos was concerned about the heavy vest and how the mantle was affecting Harry, he should have openly asked him on the beach.
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