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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???

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Telynn:

--- Quote from: Arjan on October 30, 2020, 05:18:35 PM ---But I do not know if it was serious or a joke. Sue was not breaking the laws. We know because he survived it and even became a warden.

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They implied that it was borderline.  I think they chose to look the other way.  Off on a technicality sort of.  If they had wanted to they could have gone after him for it.  Like they did at the end of BG with the formors. 

I never heard exactly what Jim said about the Harry breaking the laws, so yeah, could have been a joke.  But if the wasn't, I would think Sue would count in his book because it was borderline. 

Dina:
I agree with you Telynn.

Bad Alias:
Jim's said it several times. I don't know how literal he's being. I'm not sure if the book is supposed to be about Harry breaking the law or just approaching it. I also think he had said Dead Beat was the necromancy book, but, as discussed above, Harry didn't violate that law.

The_Sibelis:
I really feel like him 'breaking' the laws is him doing what others have done and finding the grey areas. His mother, Mab in her human past? Sue was a grey area, Morgan agreed it was necessary that night, but if Harry had become a full time animal necromancer I don't think it would have sat well with the council.. the grey areas imo are things that don't truly violate free will. Sue didn't have free will. When the fae(or later the rag lady) make people see things they still choose how they react. A choice is still made, even if it's a very matrixy subliminal choice. I could probably find ways to violate all the laws that way. The self defense claus on not killing for instance, they chose to attack you. Time travel Bob directly explained, you can't effect choice, but you can change circumstances to effect what choices are available. The only off one is seeking knowledge beyond the outer gates, but I blame lack of exact knowledge on details. We don't know enough to say. Though in guessing MM actually deals with this one. Other realities should qualify..

Dimitri:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 23, 2020, 01:37:25 PM ---My personal guess is that she was exposed to infection on that Fomor raid we heard about in Even Hand.  Maybe it was before that, but the text in Cold Days suggests otherwise, at least to me.

My guess is someone used something on her, like the Athame or hex belt, which (like a usb connected directly to a machine) installed Beside's protocols directly, without consent.

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This is dragging up an older topic but I wanted to share my thoughts.
I suspect Justine was infected around the time of White Night (likely after but possibly before). It was right around the time she was clearly becoming useful to Lara and Nemesis could have learned of her through Vittorio either during or before the Deeps. The Justine we saw there was much more functional than the one we'd seen before (though meds were her given reason) but the Justine we saw from every other interaction was much more functional than that. Its likely she accepted Nemisis willingly (without it revealing what it really was) under the promise that it could reunite her with Thomas. (Which it did...) After that she was likely manipulating things from the background. Like pitting Marcone vs Formor in Even Hand.

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