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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 03, 2020, 03:02:10 PM ---Agreed, or she was a spectator in her own head and body, she knew what was going on, but all she could do is watch.
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I never got that feeling. From what we could tell she was emotionally disturbed but her mental faculty was not compromised.
--- Quote ---I think your interpretation of 'price' is too literal. It's not that it's a price she's paying for some service or something.
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idk, most of the major fae players seem to have made a bargain that had Nemesis attached.(Sith gets left out as a non standard example, we don't know what they did to him to coerce him into being a puppet) Lea accepted the knife, Maeve straight up accepted Nemesis for the fringe benefits. Me thinks part of the fae having some dissolution of soul/real world existence gives them the basic choice to resist Nemesis, so they have to on some level accept it.
More to the point though, she says specifically not MY price, meaning someone else set the price. It's wasn't just THE price.
(Used to have a theory Nemesis was analogous to Ursula from The Little Mermaid lol. Making deals for souls and then trading them to others who shouldnt have them. With the advent of Ethniu Im not sure I was entirely wrong so much as incomplete in that thinking, after all, Ethniu also matched exactly how I thought Nemesis felt about humans and why.)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on November 03, 2020, 03:14:43 PM ---I never got that feeling. From what we could tell she was emotionally disturbed but her mental faculty was not compromised. idk, most of the major fae players seem to have made a bargain that had Nemesis attached.(Sith gets left out as a non standard example, we don't know what they did to him to coerce him into being a puppet) Lea accepted the knife, Maeve straight up accepted Nemesis for the fringe benefits. Me thinks part of the fae having some dissolution of soul/real world existence gives them the basic choice to resist Nemesis, so they have to on some level accept it.
More to the point though, she says specifically not MY price, meaning someone else set the price. It's wasn't just THE price.
(Used to have a theory Nemesis was analogous to Ursula from The Little Mermaid lol. Making deals for souls and then trading them to others who shouldnt have them. With the advent of Ethniu Im not sure I was entirely wrong so much as incomplete in that thinking, after all, Ethniu also matched exactly how I thought Nemesis felt about humans and why.)
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We only have a few examples so I don't think we can exclude Cat Sith as atypical that easily.
Harry just assumed the walker jumped him and forced the infection and I see no reason to doubt him. I think an infection can be forced or tricked but resistance is only possible if the host is made aware of it.
Cat sith was made aware of it by Harry and tried to resist and failed. He was simply not strong enough but forced Nemesis to take direct control. But Nemesis made quite clear that it Maeve did notpreferred unaware hidden assets. A possessed asset is far easier to discover.
Lea became aware and resisted successfully with Mab's help. Maeve did not tried to resist but most strong characters would try to resist if made aware. Aurora never knew, that is how Nemesis prefers to operate.
It gives the maximum effect with the minimum effort.
Mira:
I think it takes advantage of traits that the victim already has. Just like some people are more suseptable to some diseases, so victims are to Nemesis. Maeve is the prime example of that, she had a whole list of dissatisfactions with her lot in life, once in contact with the Knife, she was an easy target. Lea also to a lessor degree, if one reads carefully her actions and what she says before Grave Peril, there is a definite desire for power, which also made her an easy target.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 03, 2020, 05:46:33 AM ---Potential sources for Justine's infection.
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It could have been at some point shortly before or during WN from Vittorio Malvora.
--- Quote from: Mira on November 03, 2020, 02:54:18 PM ---Consider the conversation Harry had with Justine/Nemesis/HWWBs, until Harry figured it out, except for a gut feeling back when he told her about Thomas that something was a bit off, she seemed just like Justine.
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That could be because Harry has spent most of his time with Justine after she became infected. It might be hard for him to spot her acting out of character.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That could be because Harry has spent most of his time with Justine after she became infected. It might be hard for him to spot her acting out of character.
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He did find something maybe not out of character for her but what he felt "off" when he told her the news about Thomas. However with everything else going at a rapid pace at that point he couldn't connect the dots.
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