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Who really killed ... BG spoilers!!!!
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 16, 2020, 05:45:35 AM ---You are right. (Also, did you check your inbox lately?)
Mira, even when the mantle is not a person, I see it different than a weapon, unless you are talking of the One Ring. Because it is a thing that corrupts and tries to weaken the will of the one using it, until it conforms to some "ideal". I am sure that, for the mantle, an ideal WK would be vicious, killing people, raping people, chasing and punishing. The very stereotypical mucho macho probably. But that wouldn't be so useful to Winter as it is someone like Harry controlling the mantle. That is why Mab chose him (at least one of the reasons). Because she knew he won't become controlled by the mantle but the other way around. And she wants that, not for altruistic reasons but because it is in Winter's best interests. And perhaps in humanity's too.
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Not like the one Ring, but in the wrong host the mantle runs amuck because it stimulates all the violent thoughts, and worse yet lends physical strength to the host. If the host is weak willed as Slate evidently was, the mantle gained control, and he became a monster. I agree Mab wanted Harry because with his will, he can control the mantle. Though she may order him to kill, a mindless killer is no use to her, or worse, is no more than a mediocre Knight.
Dina:
Well, details may vary but I think you get what I meant. It is not a nuclear weapon, it' s more than a powerful weapon. Is a powerful weapon who actively interferes with the mind of the person using it.
Something I was thinking about the mantle. Winter was as its weakest point in this book(s). Was the mantle weaker too? So it can be even stronger, both in raw power and in its corrupting ability?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 16, 2020, 06:13:25 AM ---Well, details may vary but I think you get what I meant. It is not a nuclear weapon, it' s more than a powerful weapon. Is a powerful weapon who actively interferes with the mind of the person using it.
Something I was thinking about the mantle. Winter was as its weakest point in this book(s). Was the mantle weaker too? So it can be even stronger, both in raw power and in its corrupting ability?
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That is an interesting idea, but I don't think the Knight's mantle works exactly like that of the Queens. What is interesting is the difference between the Winter and the Summer Knight's mantles.
Maybe because he was a changeling to begin with if I remember correctly, but Fix doesn't seem to be struggling like Harry, though when he needs to Fix can be just as deadly.
Dina:
To be honest, I had been thinking if it's not the opposite way. If you are a decent person, it will be easy to resist the urge of harm someone that the urge of painting a tableau or fixing a car. But if you are painting not because you sincerely want it but because the mantle gives you the sudden desire to do it, aren't you losing some of your free will anyway? And almost without realizing it?
The_Sibelis:
Fu#$, Fu#$, Fu#$!? Ok so I had a horrible no good probably right idea.. someone on the WC is a denarian.. and they caused the misfire to get Harry to outright murder someone with magic. That's the big set up for kicking him out of the council, they had to use some jank turtle neck excuse because Harry was stopped from killing Rudolph... But considering they were keeping tabs on Harry's actions I just smell a plot against the repub-... Er, against Harry. It wasn't about hurting Harry, it was about what it would make him do.. we already know the fallen out master manipulators, from them causing Harry's suicide... I see this as the exact same sort of scheme. Which makes the arrival of the KotC have all that much more meaning.. someone set Harry up to lose control..
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