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Who really killed ... BG spoilers!!!!
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on October 15, 2020, 03:35:35 PM ---Harry generally feels empathy, but not in Winter Mantle sociopath mode.
His analysis of Fix in Cold Days and analysis of Sanya and Butters in Battle Grounds are sharply parallel.
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The point of the fight with Fix was that he was suppressing the way the mantle was pushing him to fight on instinct (charge & kill) by hiding behind a veil and disabling Fix with the least possible harm. Full sociopath was when he tried to fully use the mantle against Maeve.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 15, 2020, 10:33:07 PM ---No need for you to be insulting. >:( He even felt sorry for Ethniu as he bound her to be shipped off. Harry uses the mantle, he has learned to control it, he is beginning to get a handle on when it is the mantle talking, and does his best to stamp it back down. The mantle isn't in control all of the time, Harry doesn't let it be in control. Harry, the man, has empathy, that is what I am talking about. The Winter Mantle doesn't, but it can be very useful because it doesn't. But the Winter Mantle isn't Harry, and Harry isn't the Mantle. At the end of the day Harry is a wizard, a strong willed man who is a vessel for the Winter Knight's mantle, that man has empathy.
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This was insulting:
Oh? Did you not catch him standing up to the members of the Accords demanding that they help the people of Chicago who got hurt
Given I said, adding bold:
Harry generally feels empathy, but not in Winter Mantle sociopath mode.
I'm sorry, but there's a nasty habit of taking only part of what's said.
Also, @Dina, see above:
That was uncalled for
It's exactly what was done
The_Sibelis:
Play nice people... It's all fun and games until someone looses and eye 😉
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry generally feels empathy, but not in Winter Mantle sociopath mode.
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No, but an Ak-47 doesn't feel empathy either, nor is it a sociopath, it is a weapon of great power. The mantle doesn't think, it has no emotions, it cannot be a sociopath, it is a huge bundle of adrenaline. The problem is many of the guys that have held it were sociopaths with weak wills, like Slate. Harry is neither and learning to control it and remain him has been difficult. Harry lost it when Rudolph kill Murphy, the mantle had nothing to do with that, that was pure emotion.. But it wasn't in any way the act of a sociopath, a sociopath by definition is;
noun: sociopath; plural noun: sociopaths
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
The one thing Harry doesn't lack is conscience, once he came back to himself he felt remorse.
Yes, it was his imagination what he thought he smelled because he had almost did an evil deed, but he didn't, he was stopped. Do you think the odor of sulfur and brimstone was coming off of Michael's sweat when he was trying to beat Father Douglas to death with a baseball bat? He was doing an evil deed, but Harry stopped him before it was done.
Dina:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 16, 2020, 02:10:04 AM ---Play nice people... It's all fun and games until someone looses and eye 😉
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You are right. (Also, did you check your inbox lately?)
Mira, even when the mantle is not a person, I see it different than a weapon, unless you are talking of the One Ring. Because it is a thing that corrupts and tries to weaken the will of the one using it, until it conforms to some "ideal". I am sure that, for the mantle, an ideal WK would be vicious, killing people, raping people, chasing and punishing. The very stereotypical mucho macho probably. But that wouldn't be so useful to Winter as it is someone like Harry controlling the mantle. That is why Mab chose him (at least one of the reasons). Because she knew he won't become controlled by the mantle but the other way around. And she wants that, not for altruistic reasons but because it is in Winter's best interests. And perhaps in humanity's too.
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