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Mira:

--- Quote ---But that is to be expected. If Harry succeeds in driving out nemesis from Justine there will be damage but I think there is a good change Justine can be restored in the end. But no certainty.
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If he recovers and is set free, I think Thomas would have a lot to do with her recovery, if it happens.

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The reason you have to invite the fallen in is not because free will is a protection against all invasions, it is because angelic and infernal beings are specifically interested in free will.
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Yeah, they violate free will all of the time, but at the same time they have to be accepted by the host  of his or her own free will.  And yeah, like Lasciel demonstrated they will go to great lengths to tempt and trick to make it happen.  It kind of "in your face" mocking of free will.


--- Quote ---The point is about free will. Free will is about the choices you can make, not some protection against choices, free or not, others make.
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Yup, all choices have consequences, good and bad, the consequences also ripple out from us, we cannot be protected from it.  Free will is also about responsibility, you freely make a choice, you can be held responsible for that choice. 

Bad Alias:
I think Nemesis can infect a limited number, but I don't have an opinion on that number other than Jim has laid the groundwork for 13 to make a lot of sense and that's a nice catch.

If I was forced to put money on the possess/influence/spy angle, I'd wager that it's all one number. Nemesis has to make a decision as to whether it's best to use the host through possession, influence, or laying dormant until the right moment. I think anyone basically anyone can be infected. There are some exceptions like Archangels and maybe the Mothers. Anyone less absolute is vulnerable. Looked at that way, mortals might be the most vulnerable.

I agree with Arjan on the free will debate. Free will is about choices, not immunity from anything, especially the choices of others. It looks like most Outsiders are brought in by choice. It's unfortunate that someone else's bad choices can harm others, but them's the brakes.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Avernite on October 09, 2020, 06:00:53 PM ---What I suspect:
Mortals are safe from unwilling possession. All the mortals (note: specifics not known, especially for Justine) consented in at least some way, making them vulnerable.

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I'm not actually sure Justine isn't a scion and Harry just never knew. There was a WOJ that there was something significant about her background that she'd shared with Thomas but they kept private from Harry.

What I'm really curious about is how she was infected. If it wasn't lying about having got to her when she started getting close to Lara, which was at least by White Night, that means either another infected or an object vector in Raith. Madeline and / or Madrigal, or someone else?

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on October 13, 2020, 12:39:36 AM ---I'm not actually sure Justine isn't a scion and Harry just never knew. There was a WOJ that there was something significant about her background that she'd shared with Thomas but they kept private from Harry.

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I always pegged her for a changling actually. The overpowering emotions and what not.
I remember she was just as easy to possess as Lydia was, and Kravos mentioned how they were so similar. Something there I can't put my finger on atm.
*Humans DO invite being weak of will through choice opening themselves to possession.. Harry talks about it in GP, doing drugs(black magic too) and other things weakens your natural resistance to possession as it dulls your willpower.

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