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Griffyn612:
I'll update this poll as new possibilities are presented. 

* No 'other here', just reply with options and I'll add.
* For count-based limitations, I'm going with basic (1), thematic (3), or known limitations to outsiders (13, like the cornerhounds). If a case can be made for another number, I'll add it.
* Possession options are for full possession, like we've seen with Cat Sith and Justine.
* Influence options are for whispered influence, like what may have happened with Sells, Denton, and others, possibly without violating mortal free will and not controlling them directly.
* Spying options are for theoretical sensory input from corrupted targets, where there's no influence exerted but intel is gathered from unknowing victims.

Avernite:
I suspect the gradations are insufficient.

I'm pretty sure Sith was fully taken over with no consent at all.
We know Denton et al did consent in some way, accepting a power-up without understanding the consequences.

What I suspect:
Mortals are safe from unwilling possession. All the mortals (note: specifics not known, especially for Justine) consented in at least some way, making them vulnerable.
Non-Mortals are unsafe from possession. Simple powerplay, if Nemesis is more powerful it can crush a will and seize a body. But still, Nemesis prefers whispers and chains because they make a more useful tool - but those chains and whispers can be fought without power (see: Sith, Lea) so a direct fight of mind against mind may be needed. In Siths case, Nemesis scored a crushing victory, in Lea's case an ongoing battle it was winning until Lea drafted in Mab's aid.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Avernite on October 09, 2020, 06:00:53 PM ---I suspect the gradations are insufficient.

I'm pretty sure Sith was fully taken over with no consent at all.
We know Denton et al did consent in some way, accepting a power-up without understanding the consequences.

What I suspect:
Mortals are safe from unwilling possession. All the mortals (note: specifics not known, especially for Justine) consented in at least some way, making them vulnerable.

--- End quote ---
I see no reason for that. Free will is nice but it was never a defense against something just overpowering you.

--- Quote ---Non-Mortals are unsafe from possession. Simple powerplay, if Nemesis is more powerful it can crush a will and seize a body. But still, Nemesis prefers whispers and chains because they make a more useful tool - but those chains and whispers can be fought without power (see: Sith, Lea) so a direct fight of mind against mind may be needed. In Siths case, Nemesis scored a crushing victory, in Lea's case an ongoing battle it was winning until Lea drafted in Mab's aid.

--- End quote ---

The_Sibelis:
I already picked... But I have this theory Nemesis can whisper to almost anyone. Like .. she's the devil in our shadow. The dark reflection of everyone. But most mortals can simply shrug it off. Immortals, lacking free will overall cannot. That's why so many of them have their shadow inside reality to create a balance in which Nemesis can not act.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Arjan on October 09, 2020, 06:45:26 PM ---I see no reason for that. Free will is nice but it was never a defense against something just overpowering you.

--- End quote ---
Well, see, I believe free will is useless if it can just be overpowered, and the Fallen and Knights make a big deal about it.
If Nemesis can just come in and rip your free will away, did you ever have free will to begin with? Was it just a loan or something?

I suppose there's the additional option that Nemesis CAN rip your will away by the power of another free-willed mortal, since that is at least consistent with the rest of my understanding of it. So if say Cowl was calling Nemesis onto Justine it's now her will against Cowl's will, rather than otherworldy-horror against free will.

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