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Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on October 09, 2020, 02:18:53 AM ---If Listen is still alive, which seems doubtful after Harry buried him under a wall of dirt, he might be a candidate, but I'm just not feeling it.
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Listen is a cockroach. Unless the body is seen on page, assume he's going to continue causing trouble.
I doubt he'd be amenable to switching to team Mab, though.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 24, 2024, 11:54:56 AM ---All important, but one has to ask the question, what in the hell is a starborn? We know supposedly that one of Harry's talents if you could call it that is he has power over Outsiders. Is that true of all starborn? Or is Harry unique? Rashid may fit, he fights Outsiders at the Outer Gates, and he may be old enough to be born 666 years ago, but at the same time being born in the right year doesn't a starborn make.. There are other factors that go into it if Lash is to be believed. What of Listen and Drakul? Do they have power over Outsiders as well? Or were they formed for something else?
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That, as they say, is the $64,000 question. My guess is that a starborn can do more than just dominate Outsiders. Listen said something about an endgame to Ethniu, with the word endgame being cut off. We don’t know if the endgame is the final battle with the Outsiders / Nemesis or if the endgame comes after that.
Marva was the first character to mention The Stars and Stones as an event rather than to use it as a curse. We don’t know what that is. Is it the endgame, a precursor event to the endgame or a completely separate event that is only related to the endgame in proximity, but not directly connected to it?
I would guess that the names of the final three novels give us a small clue to how events will proceed. I remember Stars and Stones is the name of one novel and Empty Night is the name of another. I can’t remember the title of the third novel or what order they are in. I can guess Stars and Stones will involve the Black Court and Drakul and Empty Night will be Nemesis, but beyond that I have no clue.
One more thing. The conversation between Listen and Ethniu has made me believe that Ethniu is the key to Listen being starborn. She seemed to be his sponsor rather than Korb. I think a major supernatural player like one of the Queens, a Titan, old god or an Angel or Fallen Angel does something to a person born at the right time that takes them to next level.
Harry had this starborn ability before he became the Winter Knight; according to Lash, but he already had had contact with Mab prior to becoming her Knight. Getting that last ingredient might be something unnoticeable by a mortal or it might be something like Mab sticking a letter opener in Harry’s hand or stabbing Harry may have distracted him from feeling whatever tingling sensation happens when someone becomes a fully activated starborn individual.
Now that I think about it, Harry defeated HWWB when he was 16. So Mab couldn’t have anything to do with Harry being starborn. Lea visiting Harry in the orphanage. That is a huge stretch. So, maybe Harry’s mother did something before Harry was born for his abilities to be fully activated when his magic came in. That makes sense, but it doesn’t explain who other starborn characters were activated.
Mira:
--- Quote --- Now that I think about it, Harry defeated HWWB when he was 16. So Mab couldn’t have anything to do with Harry being starborn. Lea visiting Harry in the orphanage. That is a huge stretch. So, maybe Harry’s mother did something before Harry was born for his abilities to be fully activated when his magic came in. That makes sense, but it doesn’t explain who other starborn characters were activated.
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Or does a starborn need to be activated at all? When 16 year old Harry defeated HWWB he was a terrified kid just trying to survive, he didn't even have a clue of what he was fighting. Until Lash told him, he had no clue that the only reason why he was able to survive his encounter with HWWB was because he was a starborn. Maybe this is one of the things that sets Harry apart from the other starborns we've come across, he had no clue that he was, he just did. By that I mean if someone knows they have all these powers from the time of birth they may form a type of megalomania.
KurtinStGeorge:
Mira, you could be right, but I just thought of another, more frightening possibility. I’ll have to reread the scene in Ghost Story featuring HWWB vs. Harry, but didn’t HWWB touch, cut or simply poke Harry in the back? This occurred before Harry ran outside. That could have been when Harry’s starborn abilities were activated.
Way back in Storm Front Harry said he carried a magical marker or stain from HWWB, from their first meeting. If the Walker thought or planned on making Harry its agent it might have purposely activated Harry’s abilities.
If anyone from the White Council looked at Harry with their Sight; and recognized what they saw, it might be another reason they feared Harry. This also reminds me that Morgan decided not to use his wizards sight to look at either Mac or Harry when he was scanning Mac’s place for possible spies hiding under a veil in Dead Beat
The stain left by HWWB might be very disturbing for a wizard to look upon and if Morgan had ever used his Sight on Harry before, this would explain why he wouldn’t want to do so again.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on October 25, 2024, 11:15:28 PM ---The stain left by HWWB might be very disturbing for a wizard to look upon and if Morgan had ever used his Sight on Harry before, this would explain why he wouldn’t want to do so again.
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The residue of the walker certainly seemed to make an impression when the ThreeEye addict looked at him all the way back in SF.
I've also wondered for quite a while about a connection between wizards looking at each other with the sight and a soulgaze shared between wizards and mortals. Seeing the walker's residue would contribute to the running away screaming or psychotic breaks from some of the mortals who have looked Harry in the eye. Sure, he's powerful and somewhat prone to a temper, but agent Denton thought he saw actual Hell in Harry all the way back in the second book, when he hadn't really done anything all that disturbing other than (probably) kill Justin in a fair fight. But if Denton got a conduit to looking at the Outside? That would do it.
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