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[major BG spoilers] About the Council.
Dina:
Totally true, they need to be together for a beer on Mac's. That way, Ramirez would probably know what Harry did for everyone there and they would be able to talk feelings. If Harry tells R. that he is sad and angry because he loved Murph, he lost her and he is forced to marry Lara, Ramirez will probably sympathize with him.
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 07, 2020, 09:43:57 AM ---The part I've found weird about Ramirez in the end was his demeanor, quite aggressive (would you be aggresive around Harry if you thought he has gone dark side?) and not even saying sorry about Murph. I mean, not everyone knew Harry and Murphy were an item, but they were good friends, that was known.
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Aggressive is standard Warden operating procedure for suspected first-law Warlocks. See: Morgan and Harry, from book one. It's a test. Harry passed.
But Ramirez is also quite reasonably feeling hurt and betrayed.
Yes, Carlos didn't say anything about Murphy, but then Harry didn't apologize for humiliating Carlos in front of the Accorded nations, either. Carlos still has scars -- not from the Fomor, but from Harry choking him with his own cloak.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 07, 2020, 09:43:57 AM ---I agree with you. I've been wondering one thing, though.
Could a mind controlled victim of the rampires gather the will to imprison a Titan (even if she was weakened)?
The part I've found weird about Ramirez in the end was his demeanor, quite aggressive (would you be aggresive around Harry if you thought he has gone dark side?) and not even saying sorry about Murph. I mean, not everyone knew Harry and Murphy were an item, but they were good friends, that was known.
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I agree, when I said it seemed weird, that is what I meant.
--- Quote ---Yes, Carlos didn't say anything about Murphy, but then Harry didn't apologize for humiliating Carlos in front of the Accorded nations, either. Carlos still has scars -- not from the Fomor, but from Harry choking him with his own cloak.
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Tit for tat doesn't help anything does it? Harry did feel bad, he said as much, but he didn't say anything. But blaming Harry for the deaths etc? Not only was it untrue, but it was a extremely low blow.
--- Quote ---But Ramirez is also quite reasonably feeling hurt and betrayed.
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Well, that makes two of them, doesn't it?
--- Quote ---Totally true, they need to be together for a beer on Mac's. That way, Ramirez would probably know what Harry did for everyone there and they would be able to talk feelings. If Harry tells R. that he is sad and angry because he loved Murph, he lost her and he is forced to marry Lara, Ramirez will probably sympathize with him.
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Yes, but is it possible now? At the time there was no time.. An Harry knew that anything he said, would and could be used against him. How would it go down when they found out he was related to the assassin? Don't you think it odd that in the end they accuse him of breaking the law for killing Turtlenecks with magic? So it is a trumped up charge, then they sentence him to death by the Blackstaff, then they suspend the sentence.. No, they wanted Harry out, while at least two members who'd advocate for him in surgery, they boot him out.
The_Sibelis:
Ramirez is getting crabby about harry playing things close to the chest but so does everyone else... If he'd talked to Harry about Molly and why he was so upset at Harry it might have opened up about some of his business at least.
StrayDog:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 07, 2020, 02:55:21 PM ---Ramirez is getting crabby about harry playing things close to the chest but so does everyone else... If he'd talked to Harry about Molly and why he was so upset at Harry it might have opened up about some of his business at least.
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Did Harry visit Carlos at any point in Carlos's recovery? Harry has been very busy and confined for a year at the island but people make time for things that are important to them. Why not a quick lunch at Mac's? Why not a conversation with Molly for that matter? Has he talked about keeping the Mantel at bay with her at all?
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