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[major BG spoilers] About the Council.
Mira:
--- Quote from: maqito on October 07, 2020, 05:18:05 AM ---I think Harry getting booted out of the WC and the wardens was part of Nemesis' plan to weaken Harry. Mai and maybe Christos have been corrupted by N. I think Carlos was also infected. Why else would he turn on Harry that way. He believed in Harry and trusted him. He knew Harry had a dangerous side from that time at Camp Kaboom. Why would anything Harry has done since change his mind? Especially after the talk they had at the end of WK.
I'm beginning to think Harry being Starborn gives Harry some protection against the Ninfection. What about Drakul you say? Drakul was just acting in self interest not corrupted or fighting for a cause.
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I have been thinking the same thing. Carlos sounded too weird when he told Harry he was no longer part of the Council.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: maqito on October 07, 2020, 05:18:05 AM ---I think Harry getting booted out of the WC and the wardens was part of Nemesis' plan to weaken Harry. Mai and maybe Christos have been corrupted by N. I think Carlos was also infected. Why else would he turn on Harry that way. He believed in Harry and trusted him. He knew Harry had a dangerous side from that time at Camp Kaboom. Why would anything Harry has done since change his mind? Especially after the talk they had at the end of WK.
I'm beginning to think Harry being Starborn gives Harry some protection against the Ninfection. What about Drakul you say? Drakul was just acting in self interest not corrupted or fighting for a cause.
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That's another reason to be worried. He knows that Harry going evil was a distinct possibility before he signed up with Mab for unknown reasons (he was in a cell at this time) and took a job with a history or turning the people who take it into monsters and started shacking up with the White Court.
forumghost:
Yeah, I don't see anything weird about how Ramirez has been acting. He hasn't seen Harry in a couple years (ever since he signed on with Mab). He's been watching Harry act super-shady, hanging around Lara and get super cagey when asked why, to the point where he straight-up threatens to get violent when he and the other young wardens ask him to do something as reasonable as confirm that he wasn't fucking the mind-controlling vampire.
Then latter on, he does attack him. Harry has reasons sure (he's protecting Thomas) but to anyone without that information, Harry looks exactly like a White Court thrall.
About the only thing he could have done that would make him look worse to the White Council is if he'd started wearing Black Robes everywhere and introducing himself as "Darth Kemmler 2.0"
Dina:
I agree with you. I've been wondering one thing, though.
Could a mind controlled victim of the rampires gather the will to imprison a Titan (even if she was weakened)?
The part I've found weird about Ramirez in the end was his demeanor, quite aggressive (would you be aggresive around Harry if you thought he has gone dark side?) and not even saying sorry about Murph. I mean, not everyone knew Harry and Murphy were an item, but they were good friends, that was known.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 07, 2020, 09:43:57 AM ---I agree with you. I've been wondering one thing, though.
Could a mind controlled victim of the rampires gather the will to imprison a Titan (even if she was weakened)?
The part I've found weird about Ramirez in the end was his demeanor, quite aggressive (would you be aggresive around Harry if you thought he has gone dark side?) and not even saying sorry about Murph. I mean, not everyone knew Harry and Murphy were an item, but they were good friends, that was known.
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Ramirez probably did not even know.
The problem with first person POV is that if we want to look at someone else’s motivation we have to reconstruct his point of view. Forget all we know about what Harry tells himself and only look at what Ramirez sees.
Harry never did that with Ramirez but if you do his actions become somewhat more understandable.
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