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The one thing in battleground the bugged me: [BG Spoilers]
Shift8:
I dont see how a coverup is even beneficial. From either the mortal authorities or from the supernatural. If the truth is going to get out eventually, and relatively quickly, then the best way to handle the situation from both sides is to get on top of the situation by telling the truth, or at least most of the truth. Covering things up just breeds bad relations when everyone see's the lie that even the super natural council said at the end is eventually going to get out.
I was hoping Harry would do this but he didnt quite go this far when he was telling winter what they should do in order to avoid mortals starting witch hunts and other things in the aftermath.
What the super natural forces that met in the council at the end should be doing is announcing themselves to the world. Lots of people in Chicago saw them helping in the fight. Instead of hiding or trying to cover it up, they should be taking this opportunity to come out of the woodwork on terms that are favorable to them. Right now all the people who saw them saw them fighting on their side against the Fomor.
Arjan:
It is about gaining time. How useful that is depends on how that time is used.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 04, 2020, 06:43:13 PM ---Except there are several problems with this. For one, the batteries in a walkie talkie are different from those in other devices. We dont know how different batteries are affected. Additionally, the motorcycle requires electronics to start. A battery and electrical wiring etc. There are also lots of devices that can record video without a battery. My laptop can be plugged in without the battery inserted. And on top of that, murphys radio proves that electronic devices were not totally wiped out. Her radio worked, and long enough between battery swaps to be tactically useful.
There is also the glaring issue of the attack choppers. Those things are full of electronics required for function, both in the weapons and for flying. They are basically flying computers. Those worked but I am supposed to believe that no one got footage of the attack? Rubbish.
The Formor literally discussed the arrival of the "mechanical weapons" of the NG arriving. They discussed it as a matter of concern, so clearly they were also not confident that if they were still fighting by the time the NG arrived that the magical energy present would somehow save them.
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It's not just batteries. Guns jam. Motors break. It's just that electronic equipment seems to be more susceptible. So even non-battery operated equipment is going to break.
As for the choppers, they came in from outside the affected area. That's why it took so long. Anything close to Chicago was fried. When on the boat, I think he commented that the waterfront was dark, and only the distant light from Aurora (42 miles west of chicago, an hour commute) were visible on the cloud cover.
(Admittedly it shouldn't have taken all night for the Guard to get there, but that's another argument)
The best bet is that those in the know in the government guessed what was happening, and had the Guard hold off until morning because anything sooner might be just wasting assets.
The Librarians will secure and recordings from the Guard, and anything that goes public will disappear in short order.
The thing is, none of us are arguing that things won't be changed and the local public won't know. We're arguing that there won't be overwhelming evidence of what happened. Conspiracy theorists will spread the word, but the rest of the country and the world will fall in line with the official story.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 04, 2020, 07:53:48 PM ---It's not just batteries. Guns jam. Motors break. It's just that electronic equipment seems to be more susceptible. So even non-battery operated equipment is going to break.
As for the choppers, they came in from outside the affected area. That's why it took so long. Anything close to Chicago was fried. When on the boat, I think he commented that the waterfront was dark, and only the distant light from Aurora (42 miles west of chicago, an hour commute) were visible on the cloud cover.
(Admittedly it shouldn't have taken all night for the Guard to get there, but that's another argument)
The best bet is that those in the know in the government guessed what was happening, and had the Guard hold off until morning because anything sooner might be just wasting assets.
The Librarians will secure and recordings from the Guard, and anything that goes public will disappear in short order.
The thing is, none of us are arguing that things won't be changed and the local public won't know. We're arguing that there won't be overwhelming evidence of what happened. Conspiracy theorists will spread the word, but the rest of the country and the world will fall in line with the official story.
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-Right except they don't. Its been established over the course of the series that most things dont actually break. Murphy even has a conversation with Dresden about this. It never seems to cause any problems for her or any of the bad guys with various guns and other gear. Or really for anyone's phones 90% of the time.
-The choppers came from outside yes. But they had no issues flying over the battle and doing what they do. There was still tons of magical energy in that area at the time. And there are plenty of other issues there was as well. How did the choppers know who to engage and where? Specifically, how did they know who the bad guys were? If they knew who the enemies were by sight, this would require and extensive briefing, which would itself require extensive communications via electronic devices in order to show pictures of the enemy to the pilots. If they were being ground controlled either by someone on the ground or by drone that had been observing for a longer period of time in order to know who was who, then they had communications near the battlefield.
-The librarians might secure those tapes. But this is the United States not China. There is no infrastructure in place to control the internet like that. Even in China this would be next to impossible.
-Lastly the Guard took a long time to get there because it takes a long time to mobilize the Army, especially the guard. The battle started at night. It would have taken some time before it was established the threat justified using the Army. The closest base is 3 hours away (discounting NTC which is Navy basic training). Troops had to be called in. Since its the middle of the night, many would have gotten the phone call late or not at all. Then those troops have to be organized. All sorts of things have to be done. It would have taken hours at the least. I cant even begin to describe in just this paragraph all the things that have to go down to make troop movements like this happen, and thats before we starting mapping out what equipment is at what bases in Illinois and whether we want to include active duty troops etc. When I was in Afghanistan in 2011, it took at least over an hour for an Apache helicopter to arrive at my base to deal with some insurgents. And that was with the base being only 40min drive by car south of where I was at and everyone constantly being on the alert. It takes time for things to happen.
TrueMonk:
As I read it the blast at the end of peace talks was the intentionally hex everything blast. So the people in the know who keeps stuff like a motorcycle and walkie talkies protected within magical circles still have functioning electronics, everyone else don't. Then when they take those electronics out of the circles they start breaking down fast because of all the magical energy in the air, but that is very far from the super hex in the beginning.
That attack helicopters arrive after Titania's water cleansing of the city and after dawn, so that is entirely different.
It does not seem odd to me that the army can send choppers to shoot stuff and make the pilots not talk aboit it afterwards and disappear the footage.
If it happened today and we knew about the losses, and then someone said that the magical frog people did it. I honestly think it would take quite some time before (of ever) the majority of people would take that seriously over chemical weapons of some sort and other advanced weaponry. But I think you are right about that someone needs to be blamed for it to be semi-believeable. Some middle eastern country maybe?
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