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!!SPOILERS!! Battle Ground Thoughts and Recap !!SPOILERS!! READER BEWARE
ClintACK:
It sure sounded like he was going to crush him to death with his shield, when he was telling Sanya to just wait a second and it would be over. And when he hurled lightning at Rudolph, there wasn't any "I'll just hurt him a bit first" thought process.
Maybe he would have stopped and finished him off by hand, but there's nothing in the text actually saying that.
And killing with magic in anger is Harry's big Laws-of-Magic weak point, thanks to his history with Justin.
Mira:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 30, 2020, 01:33:41 PM ---Um. What?
It sounds like you're saying that you don't think Harry wanted to kill Rudy, or that he didn't try to use magic to do it. Twice.
Do you mean that at some deeper level, there was a part of Harry that was fighting it? (I think that's probably true.)
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Yes, no doubt Harry wanted Rudy dead, he was angry, full of hate, and full of grief, emotional to the extreme. However if he really wanted to use his magic power to kill Rudy, he could have vaporized him end of story. However he also had two Holy Knights trying to cool him down and prevent him from doing something that he would regret later, yeah even killing Rudy would have it's price. Not unlike the time in The Warrior when Harry prevented Michael from beating Father Douglas to death, when he lost it over him kidnapping his daughter.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 30, 2020, 01:23:55 PM ---Yet, he managed to run away didn't he? If Harry meant to kill him with magic, he would have been dead.
Yeah, it sounds a lot more like the Doom part 2. Only under the original Doom, Harry could still be a member of the White Council. If Harry was indeed guilty of breaking the First Law, then instead of handing him his walking papers and telling him to be a good boy and not to act like a wizard anymore, Carlos should have brought a crew to take him down and behead him.. Is Harry seen in the same league as Kemmler now?
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Yeah, tbh I'm kinda confused as to the Council's logic here:
"Our raison d'ętre is to control and limit Wizard's powers. Harry keeps getting more power, and that concerns us. So obviously we need to boot him out from under our Authority, thus removing what nominal control we have over him"
Like, what???
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 30, 2020, 01:56:38 PM ---Yeah, tbh I'm kinda confused as to the Council's logic here:
"Our raison d'ętre is to control and limit Wizard's powers. Harry keeps getting more power, and that concerns us. So obviously we need to boot him out from under our Authority, thus removing what nominal control we have over him"
Like, what???
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Exactly, or is it more of a Mission Impossible thing? In other words they want Harry to continue what he is doing, they just don't want the fall out from it. Kicking him out of the Council gives them plausible deniability.
Thana†os:
Really it was just an excuse to kick him out and try to leash him. Note that when the vote took place, EB and LtW were both "in surgery"/in the hospital. Without them there, a bully-vote could be pushed through.
You would THINK he WC would REALLY want him on their side - he has a jail for nasties the WC can't destroy. He was the one ultimately responsible for taking down a Titan, he's a Starborn, etc.
You can't serve 2 Masters is the old adage and lets face it, he is the Winter Knight as well and so it brings into question his overall allegence to the WC. Winter can FORCE him to do things.
And since he was always on the fringes of the WC and not generally accepted/liked, they thought casting him out into the cold would solve their problem for them. It's not like Winter will unilaterally protect him (though I think Mab extends her influence where Harry is concerned more than he knows). What they don't realize is that it's only going to make it possible for him to gather even more power.
He's going to challenge the WC at some point. That's been slowly building up for a long, long time - with their antiquated ways and elitest attitudes...time for WC 2.0.
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